FINALLY! Bipartisan Agreement

[Apollyon]

What do you call this then?



You said Truthout is scraping the bottom of the barrel, yet the article was written by an Associated Press writer. Varwoche merely corrected you in the middle of your rant about Truthout.

You mean Truthout can't scrape the bottom of the barrle by being selective in the articles they choose to post in their website?

Nowhere did I claim Truthout authored that article and your insistence on using that as a defense is ludicrous.

So how is the Associated Press scraping the "bottom of the barrel," then? You readily admit that Faux News also uses the AP, but slam Truthout for quoting the AP - did I miss something here?

What you "miss" is that I agree that Fox News has a conservative bias that colors the news they report. Do you admit Truthout has a liberal bias that colors their reporting?

I don't care what you think about Truthout and the only reason I posted the link to Truthout is because THAT is where I read the article. I used to be very careful in quoting from liberal sources, but since neo-cons here have taken to using Faux News as a source, I felt less apprehensive about using the flip side of the coin. It's the American way.

Do as I say...

What can you expect? Republican congressmen vote Republican and Murtha is voicing an opinion that is becoming more and more popular with the American public who is only now noticing how decorated combat veterans are treated by this administration. Ironic since the Republicans were the ones who insisted that not supporting the war in Iraq is the same as not supporting the troops. Why listen to Murtha anyway, he's got more combat experience in his little finger than Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz put together - he's just talking out his a$$, right? No way a decorated combat veteran knows more about war that these clowns, right?

I'm sure Murtha has more experience concerning military actions and procedures. War is more than military actions and procedures though, it's about politics too. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have more political experience in their little fingers than Murtha has in his entire bloated body.

You ARE my opposition whether you know it or not. I've run into a multitude of conservatives claiming to be independants, but they're "red state" through and through.

What matters is my vote and my vote has never gone to the GOP. So you can make all the paranoid accusations you want. That doesn't make them true.

Would you care to define "classical liberalism," for me? I've been a liberal since the Vietnam war so it's not just a fad with me. I don't see that liberalism has changed much since then; we're stuck in an unpopular, unnecessary war that liberals are against, we've got a Republican President who is taking liberties with the Constitution and may be involved in illegal spying (shades of Richard Nixon), war veterans are returning home with mysterious illnessness that they're not getting disability benefits for.

I'm speaking of the hatred that has pervaded liberalism. Liberals never used to be so hate-filled as they are today and a political position so singly fixated on hate is nothing like the liberals of old.

As for the screechy-voiced little punks, I'm a disabled Vietnam veteran exercising my right of free speech, so I'd really like you to either apologize or clarify who you were referring to.

I wasn't singling you or anyone else out. Sorry if you felt I was.

 

[Mephisto]

Again you prove my point. You should be focusing on the Democrats and what they are for, not the GOP actions they are against.

How about truth, justice and freedom for all? Those are things that the GOP is apparently not using.

Oh, is that what you're looking for? Well it's difficult to provide links to information that the media seemingly refuses to report on in Iraq. If you want an example of what I mean, I submit the following:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/08/a_general_fed_up_with_the_msm.html

Well I'll be! I was going to chastise you for quoting an obviously conservative website, but I did manage to find this article on the homepage of realclearpolitics:

"To "win", the US and Britain would have to dismantle clerical rule in Iraq's south, disband Shia militias, persuade Iraq's Kurds to accept some control from the central government in Baghdad, end the Sunni-Shia civil war that is now taking 3000 lives a month, and find a more effective strategy for combating the Sunni Arab insurgency. At a minimum, this would entail a vastly greater military commitment to Iraq and many more coalition casualties."

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_w_galbraith/2006/08/peter_galbraith.html
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I've also heard all the rhetoric about how "the media" is providing a liberal slant to all the good things that AREN'T happening in Iraq right now, but is that their fault? They're not allowed to publish photos of war dead, it's often too dangerous for them to leave the "green zone" without an escort, and since their escorts are usually military - they're censored regarding what they can show or tell (thanks to Conservative crony- Horendo Revolver who, like an idiot, revealed a military unit's position and intentions in scribbles on the sand).

Now you know at least one reason why we don't hear about the good things happening in Iraq.

Yep, it's a big media conspiracy - maybe that's why a Faux News team was kidnapped in Gaza, huh?

 

[Apollyon]

How about truth, justice and freedom for all? Those are things that the GOP is apparently not using.

It's not just the GOP. Political parties in general seem to be allergic to truth, justice, and freedom for all.

I suppose it would simplify things if we could actually agree on what truth, justice, and freedom for all actually entails though. I guess if we did we wouldn't have need for politics in the first place.

Well I'll be! I was going to chastise you for quoting an obviously conservative website, but I did manage to find this article on the homepage of realclearpolitics:

Do you have any commentary on the general's letter? You asked for some infotrmation about good news from Iraq, which I provided, and then go on to leap-frog over the issue.