Iconoclast
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Then -- as a software developer -- I freely admit that it will make me very happy if the software you download comes bundled with some malicious code that wreaks havoc on your machine. After all, it could be my software you're trying to steal.Ed said:
Rat
Not bored. Never bored.,
I'm already surprised at one person posting such a site in a thread not far from here. I'm certainly not going to compound it by posting any more.
Cheers,
Rat.
Cheers,
Rat.
Re: Re: File sharing sites
http://trackerwww.prq.to
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Cry me a riverIconoclast said:
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Re: Re: Re: File sharing sites
All I can do is hope someday you spend your own blood, sweat and tears to create something beautiful, then find that everyone and his kid brother thinks they have some right to the profits of your labour.
Insert suitably offensive comments about your upbringing here.
bangdazap said:
All I can do is hope someday you spend your own blood, sweat and tears to create something beautiful, then find that everyone and his kid brother thinks they have some right to the profits of your labour.
Insert suitably offensive comments about your upbringing here.
El Greco
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I've been pondering about "filesharing"...
1) What are the US laws about sites that distribute torrents or cracks or serials ? What about sites who just list links ? Are there any laws about binaries in newsgroups ?
2) What do you think is the future of illegal "filesharing" ? Personally I think it keeps growing all the time. Is there any way to enforce the law ?
3) If you answer "no" to the previous question, what good are laws that can't be enforced ? How effective can appeals to ethics be ? And what can possibly be the long-term (say 100 years) consequences of all this ?
1) What are the US laws about sites that distribute torrents or cracks or serials ? What about sites who just list links ? Are there any laws about binaries in newsgroups ?
2) What do you think is the future of illegal "filesharing" ? Personally I think it keeps growing all the time. Is there any way to enforce the law ?
3) If you answer "no" to the previous question, what good are laws that can't be enforced ? How effective can appeals to ethics be ? And what can possibly be the long-term (say 100 years) consequences of all this ?
Theodore Kurita
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Ah for cripes Sake.
Ed, check out the suprnova thread, that mirror is still up.
Also, make sure you have the latest version of bittorrent
Ed, check out the suprnova thread, that mirror is still up.
Also, make sure you have the latest version of bittorrent
FFed
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El Greco said:
1. I'm pretty sure its illegal to distribute software all across the world if the country in question has copyright laws. So far it has not been illegal to download stolen software in Sweden but its illegal to distribute. To excuse yourself with "but I only provide the links" is lame, is it realy a difference if it comes to court? It sounds a lot like "I dont sell the items, only my time" when people try to make it ok to sell the magic sword of blasphemy +3 from Everquest on eBay.
2. I read a sci-fi novel where the internet had destroyed all notions of copyright. As a result nobody made movies or produced music albums, instead live music and performance took over. Unless a lot more manpower is dedicated to find these people and punish them the problem might escalate indefinately. A solution could be to require online authorization though, I bought Half-Life 2 and it seems pretty foolproof to me since all CD-keys are unique and are used up as you install the game.
For some reason I make an exception to Microsoft though, I have yet to pay a nickel to that company while I think its stealing if I do it to any other software company.
El Greco
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Vitnir said:
I didn't talk about commercial software. I asked whether it is illegal to distribute cracks, serials or torrents.
Vitnir said:
I don't discuss the morals of the story here, so I'm not interested in what is lame and what is not. I just want to know the legislation. Is it illegal to cite links to illegal warez sites ?
Also, is it true that everyone in the US is entitled to make one copy of any software he has bought for archiving purposes ? Is he entitled to use cracking software if there is no other way to copy the CD ?
I'm just trying to find out the laws because there is a lot of cinfusion around.
El Greco said:
I think we'll find that out soon enough if this keeps up. But in the "famous" case of the MPAA vs. 2600, the courts ruled that it was illegal for 2600 (magazine) to host links to deCSS -- even if they were just links to the program at other sites. That was a f-ed up case, you should check it out.
People in the US actually are granted quite a bit of latitude in what they do with their own stuff; there's never been a case of anyone getting in trouble for creating genuine backups, at any rate, nor would there ever be, I'm sure.
But the answer to your second question, since the passing of the DMCA, is a definite no. Bypassing copy protection controls, no matter how easy it is, is illegal.
You may want to check around, there's some good info. I would start with the EFF and maybe Groklaw.
-Chris
Making copies
Perfectly legal in US to make copies of anything you have bought legally. Remember, you have bought a LICSENSE for this software. Check the small print. A licsense to use is just that. You have not purchased the rights to the software, movie, etc. Even a seat at a sporting event is licsense to use the seat. If you made an outright purchase, heck, you totally own it and can do whatever you want.
However, the Supreme Court, in it's infinite wisdom, has put forward that you are entitled to make a copy of what ever you own for archival purposes. DISTRIBUTION is right out, to paraphrase MPFC. Makes as many copies for your own personnel consumption as you want. And use as much as you want......to a point. Most software is based on a licsense for a single computer. If you have 2 or 3 computers, this may not give you the right to put said software on each computer. It is a single use licsense, then one computer only.
Bit we get back to the XP system startup of software where you have to contact MS to activate YOUR software.
Still a lot of confusion. However, distibution is illegal on all points. Unless you don't get caught. wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean..........................
Perfectly legal in US to make copies of anything you have bought legally. Remember, you have bought a LICSENSE for this software. Check the small print. A licsense to use is just that. You have not purchased the rights to the software, movie, etc. Even a seat at a sporting event is licsense to use the seat. If you made an outright purchase, heck, you totally own it and can do whatever you want.
However, the Supreme Court, in it's infinite wisdom, has put forward that you are entitled to make a copy of what ever you own for archival purposes. DISTRIBUTION is right out, to paraphrase MPFC. Makes as many copies for your own personnel consumption as you want. And use as much as you want......to a point. Most software is based on a licsense for a single computer. If you have 2 or 3 computers, this may not give you the right to put said software on each computer. It is a single use licsense, then one computer only.
Bit we get back to the XP system startup of software where you have to contact MS to activate YOUR software.
Still a lot of confusion. However, distibution is illegal on all points. Unless you don't get caught. wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean..........................
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean, if it wasn't commercial software why would you need to distribute a crack, serial or torrent. It would hardly be illegal to distribute a link or torrent to the latest Linux build, right?El Greco said:
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El Greco said:
In the USA? That would be a device for avoiding copy protection and hence illegal to distribute.
If you had pockets full of cash and a judge on your side you could perhaps make a case that the Betamax precedent should allow you to distribute such things as long as they have uses that do not infringe on copyright. I suspect a very strong case could be made that "cracks" that allow you to run a program without having the relevant CD in your drive should be legal, since legitimate program owners don't want to have to bother fiddling with the CD and so they have a significant use other than facilitating piracy.
If you have a few tens of thousands of dollars, at least, and months or years of your life to waste you could try making such a case.