Fidel Castro on 'Nuclear War'

Elind said:
Personally I never went in for mind reading. Too much danger of confusing expectations with reality, but I know many people play that game.
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Completely irrelevant response to what I said

Are you asking how many countries I have visited, or how many I have prayed in?
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Read what I wrote instead of trying to sidebar the thread
 
Elind said:
I have to ask this. Are you male or female? Nothing personal really, but you know how text is. I get an kind of androgynous impression. Hard to pin down.
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Click on his name and select "public profile".

You'll see a photo of "Erik the Viking", wearer of the biggest bushiest reddest beard in his first nations tribe. :p
 
bikerdruid said:
i have travelled to many countries, many times, over many years.
i have found that it is better not to discuss politics while travelling.
one can certainly get a general feeling of the 'environment' in a place.
cubans are quick to laugh, often have music around them, and enjoy social times with family and friends.
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Not refering directly to Cuba, I cant claim to have ever been there, however friends of mine did a trip across Eastern Bloc Europe in the shadow of the Soviet collapse.

They taught me the art of immersing in a culture to get passed the offical veneer that might be on show. It is why I get off the beaten path as soon as I arrive anywhere. Best way to know a local is to become one
 
MG1962 said:
Completely irrelevant response to what I said
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Not really; but never mind.



Read what I wrote instead of trying to sidebar the thread
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You wrote:
Pray tell how many countries have visited?
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I presume you meant to say how many have "you" visited, pray?

Do you mean on Carnival Cruise lines for 6 hours? Do you mean with a scooter rental included for a week? Do you mean studying for extended time? Do you mean working, living, with family, on business? Do you mean long enough to learn the language?

Your question is dumb.
 
Elind said:
We got past the typo. Next sentence please.
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Depends how long it takes to get out of the tourist areas. Sydney Australia you can do it in less than 30 minutes on foot. All comes down to the research you do first.

In Bali, it would be at least three hours to get to anywhere reasonable, depending what you are looking for
 
bikerdruid said:
ever been to cuba?
it's quite a lovely place, full of happy, friendly people.
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Wow, sounds like Castro is doing a great job. I'm sure he'll get a significant majority in the next elections.

Oh wait.

By the way, if they're so happy, why do people on leaky boats and inner tubes brave shark-infected waters only to go FROM Cuba TO Florida, and never the other way?
 
@bikerdruid
If you are saying that the people of Cuba are all cool and groovy then I'm with you there, as much as I think the citizens of North Korea are probably on the whole quite pleasant.

However are you in support of the political situation in Cuba? If so do you support the numerous human rights violations? (not accusing, just asking)


http://www.cidh.org/countryrep/Cuba67sp/indice.htm

ETA: I am also under the impression that people are unable to leave without official permission, do you agree that this is acceptable?
 
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Two Toed Sloth said:
@bikerdruid
If you are saying that the people of Cuba are all cool and groovy then I'm with you there, as much as I think the citizens of North Korea are probably on the whole quite pleasant.

However are you in support of the political situation in Cuba? If so do you support the numerous human rights violations? (not accusing, just asking)


http://www.cidh.org/countryrep/Cuba67sp/indice.htm

ETA: I am also under the impression that people are unable to leave without official permission, do you agree that this is acceptable?
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i don't approve of everything in the cuban world.
i'm not saying that it is perfect.
however, the vast majority of people in cuba are better off than they were before the revolution.
cuba is a third world country that has the highest leteracy rate in the world.
the poorest eat and have homes, medical care and education.
there are few third world countries that can claim that.
 
bikerdruid said:
i don't approve of everything in the cuban world.
i'm not saying that it is perfect.
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Reading through some of those that seems a bit of an understatement

bikerdruid said:
however, the vast majority of people in cuba are better off than they were before the revolution.
cuba is a third world country that has the highest leteracy rate in the world.
the poorest eat and have homes, medical care and education.
there are few third world countries that can claim that.
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Okay, that's fine, however do you think the means justify the ends? If you lock up/silence dissidents you may well end up with a peaceful society, but does it make it right to do so?
 
Two Toed Sloth said:
ETA: I am also under the impression that people are unable to leave without official permission, do you agree that this is acceptable?
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However US citizens are restricted from visiting Cuba. Do American citizens find this acceptable...The vast majority apparently do
 
MG1962 said:
However US citizens are restricted from visiting Cuba. Do American citizens find this acceptable...The vast majority apparently do
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I don't know that the vast majority do. Probably the vast majority don't care enough to lobby Congress to change the law.
 
MG1962 said:
However US citizens are restricted from visiting Cuba. Do American citizens find this acceptable...The vast majority apparently do
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Any American who wants to visit Cuba may do so quite easily, and many do. It's not rocket science. Flight to Mexico, flight to Cuba. Or some variation thereof. So yeah, most find it acceptable, since its not much of an actual restriction.
Unlike in Cuba, where there's no simple workaround to address the travel restrictions.
 
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MG1962 said:
However US citizens are restricted from visiting Cuba. Do American citizens find this acceptable...The vast majority apparently do
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I do not find it acceptable, however you are being somewhat illogical; Firstly being unable to visit a place is not equivalent to being kept in one place (unless the place you are not allowed to visit is everywhere).
Secondly you are committing a tu quoque

ETA I should be clearer and say that I assume that you are using the appeal to hypocrisy as a way of defending Cuba's policy or in an attempt to make it look better by saying it is common.
 
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bikerdruid said:
i don't approve of everything in the cuban world.
i'm not saying that it is perfect.
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Yes, especially the tiny "50 years of one-man dictatorial rule by killing or imprisoning or exiling all those that oppose him" imperfection.

the poorest eat and have homes, medical care and education.
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Which is why I support slavery. It's not as if those savages had free food or christian education that saves their souls back there in Africa, now did they?
 
Two Toed Sloth said:
ETA I should be clearer and say that I assume that you are using the appeal to hypocrisy as a way of defending Cuba's policy or in an attempt to make it look better by saying it is common.
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I am pointing out that restricted travel is more common than most people think. Of the criticisms that could be leveled against the Cuban government, this is one that shows little differential to other countries.

A better argument to show the difficulties would be things like political oppositions, freedom of press etc. These are areas that more clearly show the difference between nations like Cuba and say the United States
 
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