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Fetzer vs Jones

MikeW said:
What surprises me about the letter is Fetzer seems so confident that he's got all the support, and Jones is the one who'll have to leave, if it comes to that. Because I think he's got that the wrong way around. They might not dare tell him just yet, but I suspect most of the scholars think Jones is far more important, & Fetzer is the one who should get dumped.

Of course they might have peace talks and all become friends again... But somehow I doubt it. Reynolds & Wood have spent too much time attacking Jones, and I think "no planes" and "space weapons" have exceeded even Jones tolerance for nonsense. Someone has to go/ back down, the only question is who it'll be.
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I agree I think many more members will follow Jones.
It's always fun to see these egos clash. When I saw that Fetzer was continuing to follow Judy Wood's work I suspected the fraction between members would only get stronger. Should be interesting to see how many members fall benind Fetzer.
 
You realize, of course, if the 9/11 truth movement does really split, there won't be any need for the skeptics anymore. Both groups will focus on attacking eachother and not on attacking us. They'll bog down in trying to disprove the alternate controlled demolition theories.
 
The Almond said:
You realize, of course, if the 9/11 truth movement does really split, there won't be any need for the skeptics anymore. Both groups will focus on attacking eachother and not on attacking us. They'll bog down in trying to disprove the alternate controlled demolition theories.
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Except we provide them with ammunition. Pdhoherty76 was basically using our arguments against Killtown on the Loose Change forums.
 
There's another insight into what's going on in this Reynolds and Woods-supporting "S911T & J911S Revitalization & Reconstruction Proposal", at http://www.911blogger.com/node/4580 .

These, perhaps, might cause particular problems:

1) Scientific Integrity: Remove all references at the J911S & S911T sites to 9/11 evidence that does not have a proven & disclosed chain of custody and which may be fake. An alternative to removing such references would be to prominently & clearly describe the chain of custody and/or origins of this evidence. Two (2) examples of such questionable evidence are Steve Jones’ iron samples (allegedly from WTC Ground Zero, the origin of which is unclear) and Steve’s video evidence of molten iron or aluminum pouring from a WTC window (the spliced videos for which may not have shown such molten metal in their original internet postings).

2) Scientific Integrity: Retroactively and prospectively appropriately credit all original sources for assertions in articles and postings on the J911S and S911T sites. Correct all past scientific mistakes contained in all J911S articles and S911T postings (with the nature & extent of the correction being made perfectly clear).
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Hmm. #2 in particular should keep them busy for a while...
 
maccy said:
Except we provide them with ammunition. Pdhoherty76 was basically using our arguments against Killtown on the Loose Change forums.
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If this is true, I would prefer to be called a puppet master.
 
You know, since both sides require controled demolition, why not just bury the hatchet long enough to prove CD? Then, once the "enemies from without" are defeated, they can focus on the enemies within. Thats What Stalin would have done.
 
The Almond said:
If this is true, I would prefer to be called a puppet master.
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Yeah, and we could use sock puppet instigators to speed things along... or just plant the suggestion that we're going to...

Is this becoming a conspiracy? :D
 
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I just sent this email to Dr Fetzer, I do not expect a reply!

I will be shocked if I get one.

Dear Dr. Fetzer,

Since it is necessary to eliminate all mechanical energy in the collapse of the towers to prevent Aluminum+Oxygen reactions form causing 2800c temperatures in the collapse, how did the scholars show the collapse never happened in the physical universe?

Motion, mechanical energy is the key to all endothermic reactions involving all reactive metals, Even nano thermate compounds, and super explosives liquid thermite like compounds!

http://chainsawsanders.com/donottrythisathome.jpg

http://chainsawsanders.com/thermitea.JPG

PS. did you know you can use a torch head, and compressed air as well as a lump of cannel coal to make an effective display of burning Iron? The Acetylene is turn off on this torch, it is just connected to my air compressor.

One lump of cannel coal that I lit with a match was all it took, to heat the iron to and to burn though it. Sorry but since I was heating it from below, it got more energetic than a Standard torch or Oxygen lance!

http://chainsawsanders.com/Sparking.jpg

Please I am just a simple man with barely, a high school Diploma, I am having a hard time figuring out why I, someone experienced with thermite, and burning, melting, and welding these materials can do things that Scientists can not!

PS. I can repeat these effects at will anytime anyone wishes to see them, the most interesting so far is sand blasting aluminum with aluminum Oxide, and having an Aluminum+Oxygen reaction in air, it would seem that the strength of the oxide coating on Aluminum is dependent on the energy used to break the molecular bonding of the Oxide crystals themselves, and the physical energy decreases as the temperature rises, at a constant
 
Gravy said:
(Cue Sleigh bells and Andy Williams)

It's the most won-der-ful time of the yeeeear!

My favorite passage: "Judy and Morgan have discovered the WTC was constructed in an enormous "bathtub" to create a barrier to protect the site from overflow of water from the Hudson River, which would have flooded PATH TRAIN tunnels and subways throughout Manhattan."

Cracking research, Scholars!

eta: boloboffin beat me to it.
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It is so fascinating how these "conspirators" are so evil and destructive, willing to kill thousands of their own citizens, but at the same time so considerate and careful for the safety of the citizens.

:boggled:
 
maccy said:
Except we provide them with ammunition. Pdhoherty76 was basically using our arguments against Killtown on the Loose Change forums.
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Isn't it insulting when these fools try to stick logical fallacies on us? :mad:
 
I'm beginning to wonder if Morgan Reynolds, Judy Woods and Jim Fetzer really are disinfo agents. They can't possibly be as nutty as they seem. It's true that I haven't seen them yet in the NWO cafeteria at lunchtime, but that could be part of their cover.
 
I thought I saw Reynolds at orientation, but with all the black hoods we were wearing and there was only candle light to see with, I'm not sure.
 
The funniest thing is this site attempting a unified theory:

Taking into account the latest paper by Dr. Wood and Dr. Reynolds (linked here) along with research by others, including Dr. Ed Ward and Rick Siegel, we can construct a unified theory of how the controlled demolition was pulled off:

The towers were built to come down, with a truss system that could set off a "pancake collapse" given the right stresses to the system. A Bush-connected security firm left the building virtually wide open to everyone from Swedish art students to agents planting further explosives in the months preceding the event. On 9/11 itself, small fifth-generation micro-mininukes in the towers' subbasements (a notion discounted by Wood & Reynolds) went off coincident with the alleged "plane crashes," acting as high-tech cutting charges, significantly weakening the core columns for the destruction to come. Radio signals went out to set off the planted conventional explosives, and then during the 10-second demolition and collapses -- and in the clouds thereafter -- directed energy weapons were used to pulverize as much of the buildings as possible.
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I though this was a parody when I first read it here: http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/
 
The attempt at unfied theory is the scholars desperate attempt to unite the troops.

Think of Fetzer/Woods/Reynolds/Jones as the army generals, and the rest of the truthers as the troops. Now recently the "troops" have been watching their "generals" argue over the very core of their mission. This can be very disconcerting to the "troops" who will begin to lose confidence in their "generals". Hence, as mentioned earlier in this thread, we are seeing some truther "troops" doubting, and not as confident in their assertions.

Now, the "generals" realizing they have to do something to rally all the "troops" behind them, are proposing a "unified theory of demolition". Notice, recently, Woods and Reynolds have proposed a peace agreement to reunite the scholars as a whole...again, a means to keep the troops moral up, to prevent a mutiny...

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
Notice, recently, Woods and Reynolds have proposed a peace agreement to reunite the scholars as a whole...again, a means to keep the troops moral up, to prevent a mutiny...
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Seems it might be a little late. The 911 Blogger crowd seem unimpressed by Fetzer, & mostly think that if anyone should be resigning, it's him.
 
Does it really matter who controls the 'main' group of 'scholars' - iirc, the scholars have a few hundred members, very few of them notable in any way or with any relevent qualifications. Would losing that support be a big issue for Fetzer or Jones?

Do the Scholars have any significant infrastruture or money for the splinter groups to fight over - that could make it more entertaining :D

btw, thanks for the 'unified theory' link - made me smile :)
 
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