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Fetzer on O'Reilly

delphi_ote said:
Sure, we can all cheerlead when someone calls the person we disagree with a "nut." It feels good. But then we're all just like Alex Jones' fan club ridiculing Gravy.
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Delphi, we've gone past that phase of playing with facts. Everything they put out, we counter. We point out the lies, quote mining, misreading, and junk science involved in their theories.

When it comes to facts and science, it's on our side. But that's not why the 9/11 Deniers exist.
 
Bill does make one good point. If the CT'rs have hard evidence why aren't they doing something about it? They say they love thier country. Where are the lawsuits, the petitions for congresional investigations, the presentations to global media, the mass demonstrations in washington D.C., the haranging of senators and congressmen,? They seem to be content with only posting websites and acosting visitors to the Ground Zero Memorial site.

They say the media only goes so far. Well, what about Watergate, and the Clinton/Monica scandel. Both incidences brought impeachment charges against two standing presidents.

It seems to me that the CT'rs don't do anything of significance because they know they really have nothing but innuendo, conjecture, hearsay and circumstancial evidence.
The "doesn't-it-seem-odd" and "isn't-it-a-coincidence" argument holds no water.
 
Watching the interview now and I agree, Bill is no position to talk with this nut. He should've mentioned chief Daniel Nigro giving the order or the "structural engineers" being full of crap.

However, Bill does have a bit of common sense here. Thousands of people PAID to keep their mouth shut? No media outlet, even the ones that despise Bush, reporting it? I remember seeing the cover of the Rolling Stone magazine saying that Bush is the worst president ever with the artwork of Bush wearing a dunce cap, and suddenly they have an article saying how 9/11 theories are full of crap?

And most people politically here are against Bush. Mark Roberts said right in front of Alex Jones and on video that he hates Bush. Abby thinks the Patriot Act and Fox news is full of crap. Being a Canadian, I'm supposed to hate Americans by birthright.

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uruk said:
Bill does make one good point. If the CT'rs have hard evidence why aren't they doing something about it? They say they love thier country. Where are the lawsuits, the petitions for congresional investigations, the presentations to global media, the mass demonstrations in washington D.C., the haranging of senators and congressmen,? They seem to be content with only posting websites and acosting visitors to the Ground Zero Memorial site.
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Hey, that's my main point. What a minute, that's my main point and BOR's good point?

Excuse me, I think I'm going to be ill. Should I recover, I'm going to have to reexamine my entire political and philosophical outlook and possibly even my reason for existence. This can't be good.
 
I agree with many that it was about as subtle and clever as dropping Fetzer into a tub of custard. But who wouldn't enjoy watching Fetzer dropped into a tub of custard?
 
Bell said:
Why reason with someone who has none? :D

Funny clip!
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EXACTLY!

I don't think BOR or ANY media host should spend even a whit of time debunking these loons on points.

Not worth it, and they just plain aren't smart enough to do it. And as we all know, these CT loons just change the subject when they are cornered.

They need to be called RETARDED over and over. They need to be mocked and ridiculed on EVERY talk show, over and over. Thats all.

Markyx's video and Gravy's guide are fantastic, but South Park calling them all retards did far more damage to the deniers credibility than those combined could EVER do.

Abby's movie probably did more than Gravy's guide. Why? because it shows what complete loons the CTs are and mocks them hilariously and non-stop. The fact that Abby is cute helps too.

You can't have a battle of wits with the unarmed.
 
They both looked stupid and illogical, but overal, Bill O'Rielly was more offensive to me. I don't mind him calling that guy a loon and mocking him, but the 'you hate America' thing is just awful. I also was offended when he suggested that Fetzer take his story to France or Canada, as if Canada is an agressive enemy of the United States. I think O'Rielly disgraces everyone who opposes these 9/11 deniers by being such a bully. He might have had an expert come on and explain why the 911 scholars are a bunch of idiots. That would have been far more painful and damaging to Fetzer, who clearly becomes upset when the facts aren't going his way.
 
bjb said:
They both looked stupid and illogical, but overal, Bill O'Rielly was more offensive to me. I don't mind him calling that guy a loon and mocking him, but the 'you hate America' thing is just awful. I also was offended when he suggested that Fetzer take his story to France or Canada, as if Canada is an agressive enemy of the United States. I think O'Rielly disgraces everyone who opposes these 9/11 deniers by being such a bully. He might have had an expert come on and explain why the 911 scholars are a bunch of idiots. That would have been far more painful and damaging to Fetzer, who clearly becomes upset when the facts aren't going his way.
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excellent points. If you read the LC boards take on the show they mostly talk about BOR being, er, well, BOR. It would be much better for someone to calmly, but systematically, disembowel the CT. Of course, like the SP show, they would provide quotes showing them to be idiots and claim it was a good thing.
 
He might have had an expert come on and explain why the 911 scholars are a bunch of idiots. That would have been far more painful and damaging to Fetzer, who clearly becomes upset when the facts aren't going his way.
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Fetzer has a nervous breakdown whenever his 'facts' :rolleyes: are countered. He was pushing his "Zapruder film (Kennedy assassination) was altered" theory at a Dallas meeting years ago and was devastated by the debunking. He monopolized the time for questions and eventually had his microphone cut off.

With that being said, you don't have to counter someone that doesn't bring anything to the table.

Has anyone mailed a copy of '9/11 Deniers Speak' to the various Fox shows?
 
His point was that Canadian, British and French media cannot even be construed to be controlled by the US government.

Saying that US media is is stupid, but OK, maybe, but France? No Way.

It was actually his most logical arguement.

Uncle F said that he couldn't get his story out because the US government controls and regulates the media. So why not go to the Canadian or British or French press? Wouldn't the Guardian LOVE to report on the evidence that would bring down the Bush Regime?

But no, even they knw what a loon Fetzer is.

My favorite though was when BOR said "I hope people do go to your goofy website".

Debating their points gives them credibility. Mocking them exposes them for what they are. Loons.
 
It was only 5 or 6 minutes long, hardly enough time to debunk anything especially when we all know he'd run off on some unrelated tangent and avoid the direct question completely. Just pointing out what a regular person would ask who isn't particularly well-versed in the topic worked for me, especially when Fetzer can't come up with an answer.

I'd have liked it more if instead of France he'd have asked why Al-Jazeera doesn't care, you'd think they'd be jumping at the opportunity to clear the stain on the Muslim community, right?
 
I actually agree the best point BOR made was that not even the foreign medias are taking them seriously.. even if you buy into the conspiracy completely, you'd need to explain that. Short of invoking the "new world order", it's hard.
 
Anti-sophist said:
I actually agree the best point BOR made was that not even the foreign medias are taking them seriously.. even if you buy into the conspiracy completely, you'd need to explain that. Short of invoking the "new world order", it's hard.
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Some Iranian media appears to be, or at least one Iranian president. ;)

DR
 
as if Canada is an agressive enemy of the United States.
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Our news outlets called "So-called War on Terror" and "Bush's war"

Don't think for a second that there isn't some anti-Bush or anti-Americanism up here. There is, lots of it. Most of them being in Ontario or Quebec.
 
dirtywick said:
It was only 5 or 6 minutes long, hardly enough time to debunk anything especially when we all know he'd run off on some unrelated tangent and avoid the direct question completely. Just pointing out what a regular person would ask who isn't particularly well-versed in the topic worked for me, especially when Fetzer can't come up with an answer.

I'd have liked it more if instead of France he'd have asked why Al-Jazeera doesn't care, you'd think they'd be jumping at the opportunity to clear the stain on the Muslim community, right?
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Exactly. 5-6 minutes is too short for a debate. Furthermore, you cannot debate uncle Fester. There is no reason to reason with a man that cannot be reasoned with. A guy like Uncle Fester is capable of spouting 200 CT claims a minute - more than enough to keep a dozen debunkers busy. If you start to defend the official story, you lose. Like O'Reilly, you have to apply common sense, because after all common sense is what persuades the average viewer. They don't care about details. They want the short story. And common sense works great under those circumstances.
 
For anyone here who feels bad for poor Uncle Fetzer, let me remind you of MarkyX's "Deniers Speak" video, and all the things Fetzer has said about how the UA93 Phone calls are fake, and how he mocked the passengers with his top 10 list from earlier this year.

If this guy were a quiet little CTer who had his beliefs, and was then crucified by BOR, fine, have some sympathy, but for this arrogant, obnoxious man who has said what he has said about the victims onboard the planes, I have no pity, none. I wish Bill had said more.

TAM
 
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