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Fed Creates $1 Trillion 'Out of Thin Air"

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Fed to Buy $1 Trillion in Securities to Aid Economy

WASHINGTON — The Federal Reserve sharply stepped up its efforts to bolster the economy on Wednesday, announcing that it would pump an extra $1 trillion into the financial system by purchasing Treasury bonds and mortgage securities.

Having already reduced the key interest rate it controls nearly to zero, the central bank has increasingly turned to alternatives like buying securities as a way of getting more dollars into the economy, a tactic that amounts to creating vast new sums of money out of thin air. But the moves on Wednesday were its biggest yet, almost doubling all of the Fed’s measures in the last year.

The action makes the Fed a buyer of long-term government bonds rather than the short-term debt that it typically buys and sells to help control the money supply.

The idea was to encourage more economic activity by lowering interest rates, including those on home loans, and to help the financial system as it struggles under the crushing weight of bad loans and poor investments.

Investors responded with surprise and enthusiasm. The Dow Jones industrial average, which had been down about 50 points just before the announcement, jumped immediately and ended the day up almost 91 points at 7,486.58. Yields on long-term Treasury bonds dropped markedly, and analysts predicted that interest rates on fixed-rate mortgages would soon drop below 5 percent.

But there were also clear indications that the Fed was taking risks that could dilute the value of the dollar and set the stage for future inflation. Gold prices rose $26.60 an ounce, hitting $942, a sign of declining confidence in the dollar. The dollar, which had been losing value in recent weeks to the euro and the yen, dropped sharply again on Wednesday.

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Looks like the odds that I'm going to lose my bet increased.
 
It's always a good bet to hold some gold as a hedge against inflation.

Considering the amount of money being printed right now to pay for all of this banking mess, not to mention the military, etc... I can't see gold being a bad thing right now, even if it was just a couple of thousand dollars.

Better safe than sorry imo.
 
The government is allowed to print as much money as it likes as long as it does not risk inflation. This can be very difficult to do. The big risk is that there is a recession with inflation.
 
I understand the "flooding the system with new money" is a process that goes on between the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve and consists simply of issuing bonds and notes and then having the other department buying them with the same funds. Anyway,

the whole question is how is all the money contracted and voided when it is no longer need to stimulate the economy? Does anyone really know? Can it be returned and taken out of the system as needed? I think there is every reason to believe that the economy is going to turn around with a bang very soon, and it will be inflationary hell if that money cannot be contracted.

Who knows?
 
Honestly I'm beginning to wonder if they shouldn't have just let everything fail in a natural way, all of this seems a bit like borrowing from Peter to pay Paul which is how American's found themselves in the mess in the first place.
 
Honestly I'm beginning to wonder if they shouldn't have just let everything fail in a natural way, all of this seems a bit like borrowing from Peter to pay Paul which is how American's found themselves in the mess in the first place.

Exactly.

The argument of many Economists who follow the Austrian school of economics argue exactly this.

That the bailouts are only making the problem worse and that it will only extend the painful period of economic troubles.

Better to just clear out the system asap and get on with the business of making money.

It's going to hurt, sure, but then we never should have allowed businesses to become "too big to fail". It's a failure of government to police the economy and we have seen the result of that.
 
This is an article I wrote on the subject.

The U.S. federal reserve has taken the driver’s seat and has now put us on track to have a head on collision with hyper-inflation, effectively killing the economy, and ruining our currency as they announce plans to pump 1.2 trillion into the economy by buying mortgages and government debt. With less and less buyers hungry for government notes as our deficit climbs to new records every day, the treasury has found itself unable to sell enough notes to cover their credit. U.S. debt has now become a risk that few want to take, as apparent noting that just a few weeks ago, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rushed to China, urging them to continue buying our debt as prominent figures in the Chinese government are beginning to lose faith in our ability to repay these loans.

In case this all sounds odd to you, it should. Basically, what is happening here, is that the government has begun to print money in order to pay itself, which mind you, is never good. This causes the value of our currency to devalue, which will begin to cause super inflation everywhere. Just about the entire world trades in U.S. Dollars, with most commodities, including oil, being affected. I’m sure that rising gas prices have not escaped anyone, and many are wondering why, given the world wide depression. When more money is printed, the value of the dollar declines, which causes everything that is traded on the dollar to go up in price. If you think about it, the government is helping to increase the transfer of wealth from the U.S. to foreign oil producers. In the end, we have even less money, while these other nations have more of our money.

As the fed creates more money out of basically, thin air, the value of the money that every person here in the U.S. holds is steadily becoming worth less and less. This in turn causes banks to lend less money, slows business development, and increases unemployment as businesses hemorage money beyond their control. This all in turn slows the economy even further, pushing us further towards the next great depression. Now while we’re already struggling in the water, the government has done more to push us out to sea then pull us back to shore.

There is only one way out of this, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, because they are wrong. We have to begin immediately cutting government spending and begin paying down government debt. Stop the printing of money and begin slowly reducing the amount of “bogus” money in the system in order to help bring stability back. Stop intervening so heavily in the market and allow bad decisions to catch up with those who made them. There are plenty of people willing and ready to pick up the ball where others have dropped it, and by encouraging these poor behaviors by saving the people that made bad decisions, the ability to continue on with stronger, smarter competitors in the market is diminished tremendously.

Please, when you go to the polls the next time, consider heavily what your vote might do to this country. Because if you vote the very same people back into office that have done this, they will surely bring us the rest of the way down. Don’t keep this information to yourself either, let everyone know the problems here and let them know just how important this is. Your future depends on this.
 
Honestly I'm beginning to wonder if they shouldn't have just let everything fail in a natural way, all of this seems a bit like borrowing from Peter to pay Paul which is how American's found themselves in the mess in the first place.

I don't think so! We have enough information to get a rather realistic picture of what would happen if we just did nothing and let the global economy undergo total deflation. In the Great Depression here in the States, the country was flooded with destitute people---the homeless---who wandered around and begged for food from door to door. People helped them; but what about now? People would be afraid of them and not helpful. What about the fact that the population has increased and resources have not, that living standards have been declining for a decade or more already and that we already have a huge debt which the government did not have then.

In other words, there would be starvation, rioting and even insurrections. As soon as a hint of more economic decline is in the news, gun ownership shoots up. Of course, it would result in the whole break down of the global economy as well because every nation would throw up trade restrictions to protect their own economies. The US would be blamed for the biggest economic disaster of modern times---and for letting it get worse and worse . . .

Also, to completely deflate, the government would have to allow all the banks to fail and to remove the FDIC protection.

Finally, government tax income would drop, making it impossible to finance the huge government debt without increasing taxes. The worse the economic situation would become, the higher the taxes would be! Can you imagine how much business would like that? To cut government expenses, the gov. would have to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, cut the military down to nothing, and stop all infrastructure improvements and eliminate Unemployment insurance.

So, we would run full circle. The government would be forced to deficit finance on a massive scale---just what it is already doing.
 
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Interesting. I work with the local military base from time to time getting their recruiters off base apartments, ran into one of my tenants last night. He told me that Military is becoming over enrolled at this point. Now that Iraq is almost over the military is a nice little safety house for the soon to be homeless.
 
I don't think so! We have enough information to get a rather realistic picture of what would happen if we just did nothing and let the global economy undergo total deflation. In the Great Depression here in the States, the country was flooded with destitute people---the homeless---who wandered around and begged for food from door to door. People helped them; but what about now? People would be afraid of them and not helpful. What about the fact that the population has increased and resources have not, that living standards have been declining for a decade or more already and that we already have a huge debt which the government did not have then.

In other words, there would be starvation, rioting and even insurrections. As soon as a hint of more economic decline is in the news, gun ownership shoots up. Of course, it would result in the whole break down of the global economy as well because every nation would throw up trade restrictions to protect their own economies. The US would be blamed for the biggest economic disaster of modern times---and for letting it get worse and worse . . .

Also, to completely deflate, the government would have to allow all the banks to fail and to remove the FDIC protection.

Finally, government tax income would drop, making it impossible to finance the huge government debt without increasing taxes. The worse the economic situation would become, the higher the taxes would be! Can you imagine how much business would like that? To cut government expenses, the gov. would have to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, cut the military down to nothing, and stop all infrastructure improvements and eliminate Unemployment insurance.

So, we would run full circle. The government would be forced to deficit finance on a massive scale---just what it is already doing.

Many Austrian economists argue that you will get the same thing by spending all of this money, but it will last longer.

Better to have short term pain and get it over with, than have the same thing long and drawn out.
 
the whole question is how is all the money contracted and voided when it is no longer need to stimulate the economy? Does anyone really know? Can it be returned and taken out of the system as needed? I think there is every reason to believe that the economy is going to turn around with a bang very soon, and it will be inflationary hell if that money cannot be contracted.

Who knows?

It's done by raising interest rates. IIRC in the late 70's or early 80's the Fed raised interest rates to very high levels to get inflation under control. And it worked.

ETA: Historical interest rates
High water mark:
06/1981, 19.10
 
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Interesting. I work with the local military base from time to time getting their recruiters off base apartments, ran into one of my tenants last night. He told me that Military is becoming over enrolled at this point. Now that Iraq is almost over the military is a nice little safety house for the soon to be homeless.

Afghanistan doesn't do it for you?
 
I'm not too surprised. The economy just hasn't hit bottom yet, that's all.


It might never hit bottom if you can keep digging the hole deeper and deeper, faster and faster. /Obama-mode
 
Many Austrian economists argue that you will get the same thing by spending all of this money, but it will last longer.

Better to have short term pain and get it over with, than have the same thing long and drawn out.

Every credible source I've looked at basically agrees that the Great Depression was radically exacerbated by not spending enough. Krugman wanted Obama to double the stimulus bill.

I don't have a problem with money being dumped into the economy. I do, however, have a major problem with giving all of that money to the fools who caused this crisis in the first place.

AIG basically allowed thousands of banks to take out credit default swaps on mortgages they didn't hold. If we bail them out, we're essentially paying off those obligations, which shouldn't exist in the first place.

I think it would be better to dump that money into businesses, corporations, and banks that are either new or have proven ethical behavior.

The money has to be spent, though.
 
Every credible source I've looked at basically agrees that the Great Depression was radically exacerbated by not spending enough. Krugman wanted Obama to double the stimulus bill.

I don't have a problem with money being dumped into the economy. I do, however, have a major problem with giving all of that money to the fools who caused this crisis in the first place.

AIG basically allowed thousands of banks to take out credit default swaps on mortgages they didn't hold. If we bail them out, we're essentially paying off those obligations, which shouldn't exist in the first place.

I think it would be better to dump that money into businesses, corporations, and banks that are either new or have proven ethical behavior.

The money has to be spent, though.

The social and economic environment was different back then. Our current economic problems are not caused by the same problem. It's too much debt that is the problem right now.

Printing more money to get people to spend again is only going to create more debt.

We aren't going back to the way things were before all of this happened. People can't go back to that and they won't.
 
....There is only one way out of this, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, because they are wrong. We have to begin immediately cutting government spending and begin paying down government debt. Stop the printing of money and begin slowly reducing the amount of “bogus” money in the system in order to help bring stability back. Stop intervening so heavily in the market and allow bad decisions to catch up with those who made them. There are plenty of people willing and ready to pick up the ball where others have dropped it, and by encouraging these poor behaviors by saving the people that made bad decisions, the ability to continue on with stronger, smarter competitors in the market is diminished tremendously.

Please, when you go to the polls the next time, consider heavily what your vote might do to this country. Because if you vote the very same people back into office that have done this, they will surely bring us the rest of the way down. Don’t keep this information to yourself either, let everyone know the problems here and let them know just how important this is. Your future depends on this.

Yep, you pinned that shinking dollar to the dartboard before it got too small to see.

Bolded "stuff to act on".
 
The social and economic environment was different back then. Our current economic problems are not caused by the same problem. It's too much debt that is the problem right now.

Printing more money to get people to spend again is only going to create more debt.

We aren't going back to the way things were before all of this happened. People can't go back to that and they won't.

That is not at all what's going on with the economy right now.

The driving issue of this economic collapse was irresponsible leveraging of sub-prime mortgages, deregulation that allowed insanely risky behavior to become acceptible, and outright fraud as in Maddoff.

If you read Krugman and other economists who studied the Great Depression, they are all recommending massive stimulus. I agree with this sentiment. FDR's spending programs started to turn the situation around until he became fiscally conservative after his reelection in 1936.

As I said earlier, the Geitner plan just coveres the collective asses of the people who's incompetence and fraud got us in this mess. That being said, we have to invest in massive stimulus to turn the boat around.
 

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