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SLOB said:
Could you point me to the official site where there is a "story" that is labeled "The Official Story"?

Cheers,
SLOB
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If I had time, I'd find the post here, in response to my question, where a highly respected member of this forum told me it was the Fema report, the NIST report, and the Kean-Hamilton tissue.

(Except he didn't say "tissue").
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
If I had time, I'd find the post here, in response to my question, where a highly respected member of this forum told me it was the Fema report, the NIST report, and the Kean-Hamilton tissue.

(Except he didn't say "tissue").
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Still have not found what, or where the official story is. That would take real research. So you finally found out Webster Tarpley's book was total trash on 9/11. What new source have you to point to the not so factual CT world of 9/11 lies and fraud? Bring on some new stuff.

You will have problems finding facts how could you find that post? And then what would that prove but you are fixed on one thing. So when did you find out Webster Tarpley's book was full of lies?
 
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Still have not found what, or where the official story is. That would take real research. So you finally found out Webster Tarpley's book was total trash on 9/11. What new source have you to point to the not so factual CT world of 9/11 lies and fraud? Bring on some new stuff.

You will have problems finding facts how could you find that post? And then what would that prove but you are fixed on one thing. So when did you find out Webster Tarpley's book was full of lies?
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Dude, relax on this Tarpley thing. You're a bit obsessive. Considering you never read it.

Some of you here ought to read some of the "Truth" books out there. It might help you argue against them. And you might pick up a few things. Most "Truthers" don't read, after all. They just look at pictures and videos. Right?
 
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Dude, relax on this Tarpley thing. You're a bit obsessive. Considering you never read it.

Some of you here ought to read some of the "Truth" books out there. It might help you argue against them. And you might pick up a few things. Most "Truthers" don't read, after all. They just look at pictures and videos. Right?
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Telling a lie now? I have read it you CT guys are always wrong.

Does he ever fix the 20 minutes in the third edition? I was 80 minutes to intercept Payne Stewart's jet. Why can CTers not check simple facts?

You said Tarpley's book was the thing! What is Trapley's book now but a bunch of junk.

I am thinking you are the one who may not of read his book because you can not produce any facts from it. Did you know he messed up Payne Stewart's stuff? Has he corrected in the 3rd edition?

You have read it, is your edition corrected for the 20 minute stuff or is Webster still a liar? Please tell me.
 
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Telling a lie now? I have read it you CT guys are always wrong.

Does he ever fix the 20 minutes in the third edition? I was 80 minutes to intercept Payne Stewart's jet. Why can CTers not check simple facts?

You said Tarpley's book was the thing! What is Trapley's book now but a bunch of junk.

I am thinking you are the one who may not of read his book because you can not produce any facts from it. Did you know he messed up Payne Stewart's stuff? Has he corrected in the 3rd edition?

You have read it, is your edition corrected for the 20 minute stuff or is Webster still a liar? Please tell me.
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You haven't read it. And you know it.

It's only on the 2nd edition right now. With lots of new stuff about the 15 drills, and Able Danger. I don't have the 2nd Edition yet. I don't know if he addresses the Paine Stewart mistake. But he did mention in a lecture I heard recently that there is some discrepency as to the details of Paine Stewart incident, depending on your source. I didn't get everything he was saying about it. I'll check it out, try to find it, and get back to you. I think it was in his April 1, 2006 lecture in Seattle.

Question for you: The news media gets stories wrong all the time. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't. So, do you discredit a news outlet forever because of that one mistake? For example; look at the BBC's Building 7 story. WRONG! So why listen to anything else they ever report? Hmmmm?

Tarpley gets the timing of the Paine Stewart intercept wrong, a detail, so he's a liar. Like the way you all handled the Tom Flocco error.
 
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skepticalcriticalguy said:
You haven't read it. And you know it.

It's only on the 2nd edition right now. With lots of new stuff about the 15 drills, and Able Danger. I don't have the 2nd Edition yet. I don't know if he addresses the Paine Stewart mistake. But he did mention in a lecture I heard recently that there is some discrepency as to the details of Paine Stewart incident, depending on your source. I didn't get everything he was saying about it. I'll check it out, try to find it, and get back to you.

Question for you: The news media gets stories wrong all the time. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't. So, do you discredit a news outlet forever because of that one mistake? For example; look at the BBC's Building 7 story. WRONG! So why listen to anything else they ever report? Hmmmm?
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The 3rd edition is out now.

But it is still lies and you can not point to an exercise or a drill that was going on during 9/11. Steward's intercept is wrong by Tarpley. And all the other stuff you have. Not one fact yet. You know the exercise never started. Darn, more lies by WT.

When you start trusting others you get no facts, just lies. Sorry to harp on WT's book but it is a bad source and as yet you have not produced one fact to support the CT stuff from his book. You must not be reading it very well.

Webster says 20 minutes and he is off by an hour. Wow. His exercise stuff is false. It was funny you still have not found a fact in his book. Is this indicative of all your research on 9/11?

About news sources, they are challenged too. You have to know your limitations and others limitations. But with WT, he has no facts and he only distorts 9/11 for his political goals or to sell books.

Get his book out and show us some hard facts that Tarpley has! Come one you said you read the book, tell us what is the top fact in the book. And tell us why Stewart's story is all messed up. Tarpley can not even tell time, how do you expect him to research his book properly.

Remember multiple sources help. But in CT land there are no credible sources found yet. 5 years and not one source with facts.

5 years. Tarpley is a bad source; does anyone disagree?
 
beachnut said:
The 3rd edition is out now.

But it is still lies and you can not point to an exercise or a drill that was going on during 9/11. Steward's intercept is wrong by Tarpley. And all the other stuff you have. Not one fact yet. You know the exercise never started. Darn, more lies by WT.

When you start trusting others you get no facts, just lies. Sorry to harp on WT's book but it is a bad source and as yet you have not produced one fact to support the CT stuff from his book. You must not be reading it very well.

Webster says 20 minutes and he is off by an hour. Wow. His exercise stuff is false. It was funny you still have not found a fact in his book. Is this indicative of all your research on 9/11?

About news sources, they are challenged too. You have to know your limitations and others limitations. But with WT, he has no facts and he only distorts 9/11 for his political goals or to sell books.

Get his book out and show us some hard facts that Tarpley has! Come one you said you read the book, tell us what is the top fact in the book. And tell us why Stewart's story is all messed up. Tarpley can not even tell time, how do you expect him to research his book properly.

Remember multiple sources help. But in CT land there are no credible sources found yet. 5 years and not one source with facts.

5 years. Tarpley is a bad source; does anyone disagree?
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More crap.

So, are you claiming you have read the THIRD EDITION, the brand new shiny THIRD EDITION of 9/11 Synthetic Terror Made in the USA? Well, are you?

As for drills; 15 ongoing on that day. Team8plus and Total411 cover this. As does Tarpley in his 2nd edition of Synthetic Terror. Which you certainly got in your shiny new 3rd edition you claim to have thoroughly read and researched).

Like any journalist, including the BBC, Fox Noise, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Al Jazeera, etc, report stories wrong all the time. Every day, Nut. And sometimes they even admit to getting bad information. (Like that WTC7 collapse story. Which went out 15-20 minutes early in Berlin, also, BTW). So why do you believe them?

Even the FBI reported some of the wrong hijackers. According to the Director. So is everything they tell us from that point on a pack of lies? Hmmm? (And they only corrected themselves, sort of, when confronted about it).
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
As for drills; 15 ongoing on that day. Team8plus and Total411 cover this. As does Tarpley in his 2nd edition of Synthetic Terror. Which you certainly got in your shiny new 3rd edition you claim to have thoroughly read and researched).
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I'd certainly like to see some information about these alleged 15 drills. I know quite a lot about the "drills" that were happening on 9/11. I'd also be curious to hear what their definition of "drill" is.

Do you have a link, or can you name these 15 "drills"?

-Gumboot
 
Oh, and by the way, the error in the Payne Stewart incident is not a minor detail. The event is used as evidence of how smoothly a military intercept is supposed to go.

However the key facts (all wrong or not mentioned):
1) The intercept was not carried out by NORAD
2) The intercept took 81 minutes
3) The precise position of N47BA was known at all times

Have an enormous importance in relation to 9/11 as on 9/11 it WAS NORAD trying to perform intercepts, the position of the hijacked aircraft were not known, and the longest intercept window was only 41 minutes.

In actual fact the intercept time required for N47BA was the same as the ENTIRE FLIGHT DURATION for UA93, and took LONGER than the total flight duration for each of the other three flights.

Thus, logically, even had NORAD been asked to intercept each flight THE MOMENT IT TOOK OFF they still would have had insufficient time to intercept any of the flights.

So as you can see, getting this time wrong is NOT a small detail.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
I'd certainly like to see some information about these alleged 15 drills. I know quite a lot about the "drills" that were happening on 9/11. I'd also be curious to hear what their definition of "drill" is.

Do you have a link, or can you name these 15 "drills"?

-Gumboot
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I have to go to work, but I'll try to get you some info tonight.

Here are a couple sites:
http://team8plus.org/news.php
http://www.total411.info/
 
gumboot said:
I'd certainly like to see some information about these alleged 15 drills. I know quite a lot about the "drills" that were happening on 9/11. I'd also be curious to hear what their definition of "drill" is.

Do you have a link, or can you name these 15 "drills"?

-Gumboot
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In my opinion, Able Warrior and Able Danger are the key to what happened on 9/11. In my opinion. (That means, don't say PROVE IT!!!)
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
In my opinion, Able Warrior and Able Danger are the key to what happened on 9/11. In my opinion. (That means, don't say PROVE IT!!!)
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Able Warrior is a USSOUTHCOM biannual SOCOM exercise. USSOUTHCOM's area of responsibility is South America.

Able Danger is not a military drill or exercise.

Care to try again?

-Gumboot
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
In my opinion, Able Warrior and Able Danger are the key to what happened on 9/11. In my opinion. (That means, don't say PROVE IT!!!)
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Have you called your mother and to tell her your education was a failure and there is serious doubt about you ever becoming a researcher.

No, Able Warrior and Able Danger are not key to what happen on 9/11. What planet do you live on, prisonplanet? Once you involve the military, and if you had some plot, you would be turned in and exposed by the military.
Due to knowledge, logic, and fact; This has to be on of the most challenged allegation yet.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx
who are you at LCF?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx
Or did they ban you for having just junk.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx
I bet they will ban you over there first post, out of the box, ban. Or can you only remember the lies of 9/11 and one password.
 
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Never mind, there were enough who beat me to Pink Floyd wisecracks.
 
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