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FBI has evidence of possible collussion

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/polit...may-have-coordinated-with-russians/index.html

The FBI may now have evidence of collussion between Russian hackers and Trump Campaign personnel.

There may be info suggesting that worked together regarding the release of damning info about Hillary.

If personnel in the Trump campaign DID collude with the Russians, and Trump should have known about it but did not, or even worse if he did know about it, can the Congress impeach?

Is it a crime to collude with foreign agents during a campaign to hurt your opponent in a Presidential election?
 
I'd be more interested if the article weren't full of weasel words ("suggests"..."may have"..."possibly") and the info didn't come from unnamed "US Officials."
 
Evidence of possible conclusion is mighty thin gruel. Let's wait and see what develops before we celebrate the inevitable impeachment.
 
What was said on CNN was only that the evidence collected went one step beyond "circumstantial". That's newsworthy.

BTW, collusion has one 's'.
 
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This is reminding me of Watergate.


Schiff: ‘More Than Circumstantial Evidence’ Trump Associates Colluded With Russia

WASHINGTON — The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee claimed Wednesday evening that he has seen "more than circumstantial evidence" that associates of President Donald Trump colluded with Russia while the Kremlin attempted to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the Ranking Member on the committee, was asked by Chuck Todd on "Meet The Press Daily" whether or not he only has a circumstantial case.

"Actually no, Chuck," he said. "I can tell you that the case is more than that and I can't go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ence-trump-associates-colluded-russia-n737446
 
Sounds like nothing to me.

Just more empty screeching.

Why?

Are you joining the false narrative that, (how many is it now?), Trump's campaign staff have direct connections to Russia, that Trump has monetary connections despite his denials, that now, given all that circumstantial evidence piling up, there is nothing there?

Add to that the fact Flynn resigned and it's clear his conversations with the Russian ambassador had something to do with it.

Add to all that the claims by legislators who were read in so to speak, that there is more than circumstantial evidence there.

Just what is it that makes you call all that "empty screeching"?
 
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Why?

Are you joining the false narrative that, (how many is it now?), Trump's campaign staff have direct connections to Russia, that Trump has monetary connections despite his denials, that now, given all that circumstantial evidence piling up, there is nothing there?

Add to that the fact Flynn resigned and it's clear his conversations with the Russian ambassador had something to do with it.

Add to all that the claims by legislators who were read in so to speak, that there is more than circumstantial evidence there.

Just what is it that makes you call all that "empty screeching"?

For months - for a better part of a year - we've been waiting for proof. Show us the proof.
 
Interesting if true, but I'd say wait and see. Remember the Republicans chasing after all the parked cars when they were after Hillary, it'd be dumb to repeat their mistakes and always be jumping at each story with "This one has to be the smoking gun!"

If the FBI come out and say that they have the proof and are bringing charges, then it'll get interesting. Until then.... meh.
 
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So your problem is mounting circumstantial evidence isn't mounting fast enough for you despite the fact it has been steadily increasing? :rolleyes:

I think that the issue is that circumstantial evidence is exactly that, circumstantial.

You can have a mountain of circumstantial evidence, but that's not proof, all it is, is "it looks bad."

With a Republican led House and Senate, unless the FBI can place the smoking gun in the Trump Campaign's hands, they aren't going to do squat, and circumstantial evidence, no matter how much you have, isn't going to cut it.
 
I think that the issue is that circumstantial evidence is exactly that, circumstantial.
I get that, I'm not stupid. But it's not equal to no evidence which is the GOP narrative they are trying to drive home.

You can have a mountain of circumstantial evidence, but that's not proof, all it is, is "it looks bad."
Not true. People can be convicted on circumstantial evidence, happens all the time and it's not a main issue the Innocence Project finds with false convictions. Rather false confessions and erroneous witness identification top the list.

With a Republican led House and Senate, unless the FBI can place the smoking gun in the Trump Campaign's hands, they aren't going to do squat, and circumstantial evidence, no matter how much you have, isn't going to cut it.
These are two different issues, one, will the GOP controlled legislature successfully snuff out an independent investigation? And, two, who says the evidence isn't steadily mounting? I ask you the same question I asked Jules, 'so your problem is mounting circumstantial evidence isn't mounting fast enough for you despite the fact it has been steadily increasing?
 
In other words, you mean piling Baloney on top of Baloney.

No....this does satisfy me.
Pretty sure we aren't looking at baloney. But if you buy the GOP attempt to dismiss the mounting evidence, you have a black and white world view issue here.

The evidence is growing, but it's not yet enough. That is not white or black. It's gray until either the investigation clears the Trump campaign or indicts them.

I don't get it that people can't accept the fact we don't know yet one way or the other. That is not jumping to a conclusion, but it also is not dismissing the mounting evidence.

Seems pretty clear to me.
 
This is reminding me of Watergate.


Schiff: ‘More Than Circumstantial Evidence’ Trump Associates Colluded With Russia

WASHINGTON — The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee claimed Wednesday evening that he has seen "more than circumstantial evidence" that associates of President Donald Trump colluded with Russia while the Kremlin attempted to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the Ranking Member on the committee, was asked by Chuck Todd on "Meet The Press Daily" whether or not he only has a circumstantial case.

"Actually no, Chuck," he said. "I can tell you that the case is more than that and I can't go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ence-trump-associates-colluded-russia-n737446

Uh, no. Watergate was Republicans doing illegal things to Democrats and their president saving them. This is a US presidential candidate colluding with Americas' first and foremost opponent to obtain the keys to the White House. If Watergate is a minor ripple, this is a tsunami.

The closest thing that comes up to my mind is Zimmerman telegram. It's not a perfect match for many reasons, but it matches the severity.

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I get that, I'm not stupid. But it's not equal to no evidence which is the GOP narrative they are trying to drive home.

Agreed, but it'd not a smoking gun with their fingerprints on it either. Remember the circumstantial evidence of the 400,000 Clinton E-mails on Wiener's computer? That was going to prove Hillary was a crook right?

Not true. People can be convicted on circumstantial evidence, happens all the time and it's not a main issue the Innocence Project finds with false convictions. Rather false confessions and erroneous witness identification top the list.

Actually very true. Just because people can be convinced by circumstantial evidence doesn't make it proof. What it shoes id that lawyers are good at convincing people to believe that where there is smoke there is fire, and if there is a huge amount of smoke there, then there must be a really big fire, and since little Jimmy has a box of matches he must have lit it.

These are two different issues, one, will the GOP controlled legislature successfully snuff out an independent investigation?

Unless there is unimpeachable evidence of collusion presented, I suspect the answer will be yes.

And, two, who says the evidence isn't steadily mounting?

No one, but then no one outside of the FBI truly knows what they have, or don't have as the case may be.

I ask you the same question I asked Jules, 'so your problem is mounting circumstantial evidence isn't mounting fast enough for you despite the fact it has been steadily increasing?

It has nothing to do with the speed, it has to do with the quality and the sources. Anonymous sources about something that might be, and meetings that could have been about this, or that or something else entirely.

The Right spent much of Obama's terms tilting at windmills, from the Birth Certificate to Benghazi, to the E-Mails, they were so sure that they were just about there, just needed one more report, one more little bit of information, and each time a News Story or a rumour came out they were positive, positive that this would be either the "Impeach Him" or the "Lock Her Up" moment for sure, and every time it fell flat.

In the same way I did them, I advice the Left to be caution. Yes there might be huge boot prints in the mud, yes cows might be missing. But before you strap on your armour and jump on your horse to ride out against that crouching giant over there, just let the investigation happen and make sure it really is a crouching giant and not another windmill, Señorita Quixote.
 
Pretty sure we aren't looking at baloney. But if you buy the GOP attempt to dismiss the mounting evidence, you have a black and white world view issue here.

The evidence is growing, but it's not yet enough. That is not white or black. It's gray until either the investigation clears the Trump campaign or indicts them.

I don't get it that people can't accept the fact we don't know yet one way or the other. That is not jumping to a conclusion, but it also is not dismissing the mounting evidence.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Then press charges. Dump yer' load or get off the potty - but do something. Your constant straining and grunting is unbecoming.

We've been listening to this crap for 9 months...it's time to put up or shut up.
 
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Then press charges. Dump yer' load or get off the potty - but do something. Your constant straining and grunting is unbecoming.

We've been listening to this crap for 9 months...it's time to put up or shut up.

That's bizarre. It's like asking for a police department to release all the information they have before they have completed the investigation - it makes no sense.

A splash headline of the type that you want would be counterproductive because it would give time for those implicated to cover up and/or destroy records and also may impede the investigation by demonstrating the direction in which it is going. :confused:
 
That's bizarre. It's like asking for a police department to release all the information they have before they have completed the investigation - it makes no sense.

A splash headline of the type that you want would be counterproductive because it would give time for those implicated to cover up and/or destroy records and also may impede the investigation by demonstrating the direction in which it is going. :confused:

Hey...i don't like Trump either. But I'm not hip accusing his administration of doing something bad just because my guy - Bernie Saunders - didn't get elected.

And yeah...everybody knows what this is about: a bunch of Butthurt Democrats and Republicans seeking vindication.

It is sick stuff and makes the country looks like some jerk-water, third-world craphouse.
 
I'd be more interested if the article weren't full of weasel words ("suggests"..."may have"..."possibly") and the info didn't come from unnamed "US Officials."

Baring being able to publish the report itself and outing their source, they probably are required ethically if not legally to use such weasel words.
 

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