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FBI documents contradict 9/11 Commission report

Undesired Walrus said:
Highly unlikely. Ramzi Binalshibh said all but one had made a matyrdom video.
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To be fair that could simply have been a "just in case" scenario as obviously regardless of the type of hijacking undertaken, the prospect of death is good.
 
gumboot said:
To be fair that could simply have been a "just in case" scenario as obviously regardless of the type of hijacking undertaken, the prospect of death is good.
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Possible, but the source down below (About the maid) suggests many of the muscle hijackers knew what they were being asked to do.

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There was also an email correspondense between Saeed Al-Ghamdi and Ramzi (Allegedly)

The first semester commences in three weeks. Two high schools and two universities. ... This summer will surely be hot ...19 certificates for private education and four exams. Regards to the professor. Goodbye
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gc051360 said:
This last line confuses me. It's almost like the "If it weren't for my horse..." thing from Lewis Black's comedy act. Someone found it relevant enough...to leave it out.

About booking a flight after 9-11. I don't know why he'd do that. The "throw people off" thing seems to be the most likely.

When did he purchase the tickets for that flight? I would think the plan wasn't set in stone at that point. Maybe they were considering using that 9-11 flight as a dry run, and a later one as the real one.

Does it really matter? It seems like a non issue.
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When I say relevent I just mean that if someone wants to cover something up is it usually because it's irrelevent?

I think the fact that they had extra airline tickets touches on a couple of possible things other then maybe some of them might not have been fully in on what was going on. Did they all have to know the plan was to crash the plane? And just how much money did these guys have and where exactly did it all come from? They flew first class didn't most of them? Did they all have multiple flights booked? Were they all first-class? Did even one of them have a job?
 
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firecoins said:
I have yet to see any evidence that contradicts the above story. None whatsoever. There is no evidence that an "inside job" by the US Government had anything to do with the events of 9/11, MIHOP or LIHOP. I have seen tons of evidence for a huge US beurocratic government dropping the ball.
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Wow the 9/11 deniers are contradicting themselves, again?
 
LastChild said:
When I say relevent I just mean that if someone wants to cover something up is it usually because it's irrelevent?

I think the fact that they had extra airline tickets touches on a couple of possible things other then maybe some of them might not have been fully in on what was going on. Did they all have to know the plan was to crash the plane? And just how much money did these guys have and where exactly did it all come from? They flew first class didn't most of them? Did they all have multiple flights booked? Were they all first-class? Did even one of them have a job?
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Even all the ones that did martyr videos?

Why was it a cover up? It is not mentioned because it was irrelevant to the 911 reportm, that does not make it a cover up.

It would be a cover up if the 911 report stated they did not have tickets for later flights and then it was subsequently found they knew they did.

faulty OP with faulty quotes
 
I think that if I was an evil mastermind, who planned to use some minions to fly planes into buildings, I would purchase several tickets for each of them, for several reasons.

To throw off anyone that learns of the plan, so they cannot identify which flight is in danger.

To have backup dates available in case of:
- problems getting someone on board due to customs / problems getting to airport on time
- problems using the original flights due to weather delays / accidents

To allow some replanning, if necessary, because new people come on board, or someone gets ill / killed / arrested

To keep my minions in the dark as to which ones of them will be the ones asked to die that day. I book several people on several flights, knowing that they are all on board in principle. I need to ensure that they don't 'chicken out' on the day when they realise that it's no longer 'in theory' - that their final day has actually arrived. If they have cold feet up there, there are more of them, and they won't admit it to each other, so it's less of a concern.
 
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LastChild said:
When I say relevent I just mean that if someone wants to cover something up is it usually because it's irrelevent?
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Here's the problem with your logic:

"If evidence A is covered up, then it will be left out of report B."

"Evidence A was left out of report B."

So far, so good. However, you go from that to this:

"If evidence A is left out of report B, then evidence A is being covered up."

The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.

I know you were just asking rhetorical questions, but here are some non-rhetorical answers:

I think the fact that they had extra airline tickets touches on a couple of possible things other then maybe some of them might not have been fully in on what was going on. Did they all have to know the plan was to crash the plane?
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I think so. The "muscle" hijackers were trained in close-quarter fighting. How do you think they would react when they found out they were being sacrificed? Wouldn't that throw a monkey wrench into the plan?

And just how much money did these guys have and where exactly did it all come from?
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How is it possible that you don't know this? They were funded by Al Qaeda.

They flew first class didn't most of them? Did they all have multiple flights booked? Were they all first-class? Did even one of them have a job?
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The ones that needed quick access to the cockpit flew first class. The hijackers needed to be distributed throughout the plane so that they could a) pacify the entire complement of passengers, and b) not raise suspicion as to why so many Middle Easterners were traveling together.
 
All of the hijackers on Flight 11 locked themselves in the cockpit, so I'm pretty sure all of them knew what was going on.
 
I'm pretty sure only 2 locked themselves in, the others guarded the door. There were the pilots, and there were the muscle men.
 
Also, the tickets were probably purchased before the picked an exact date. Maybe someone can reserch that.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Also, the tickets were probably purchased before the picked an exact date. Maybe someone can reserch that.
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I know they did some "dry runs" in preparation for the actual hijacking. Could it be they didn't know which of these "dry runs" was going to be the real thing, until close to 9/11?
 
aggle-rithm said:
I know they did some "dry runs" in preparation for the actual hijacking. Could it be they didn't know which of these "dry runs" was going to be the real thing, until close to 9/11?
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That's an incredibly mundane and logical explanation, so needless to say it will be totally ignored by twoofers. ;)
 
Jonnyclueless said:
I'm pretty sure only 2 locked themselves in, the others guarded the door. There were the pilots, and there were the muscle men.
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According to Mrs Ong, nobody could breath up at the front of the plane because of mace, but it does sound like the hijackers all went into the cockpit. The man on the other side of the phone, IIRC, was clearly confused and thought that the pilots had mantained a 'sterile cockpit'.

It is confusing, as she says it is hard to go up to the front of the plane, but at the same time says that they tried to open the door but it was locked.

But one thing we can be somewhat sure of, is that Saeed Al-Ghamdi knew he was going to be killed in this attack, given his email to Ramzi. Hamza Al-Ghamdi and whoever else was on the room seem to have known too, given the maids testimony of substantial amounts of body hair on the bathroom floor. I don't see any other reason for suspecting the others would not have known.

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As for the future plane booking, remember Atta had complete control of what day the mission was to be carried out on, and had to move it ahead once he felt the case was close to being uncovered (According to Ramzi, when Zacarias M was arrested) . He let Ramzi know on August 29th that the date was to be September 11th.
 
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Why did hijackers book flights after 9/11? Simple, it is called contingency planning.
The 9/11 depended on a number of factors: 1) Hijackers needed rapid access to
cockpit, for this reason booked seats in 1st class, hijackers were seated in configuration
to storm cockpit, while blocking attempted resistence 2) Needed trancontinental flights
leaving from East Coast airports in mid-week (when aircraft had light load) 3) Flights
needed to leave as close to 8 AM as possible to avoid delays which build up as the day
goes on, look what happened to Flight 93 after left 40 minutes late - passengers
found out about earlier hijackings and fought back 4) Aircraft had to be Boeing 757/767
on which had trained

To insure that they could get desired seats in 1st class, at the right time, from the right
airports had to book early. Problem this created was WEATHER. Storms could cause
delays, cancelled flights (just last weekend here on east coast had blizzard which
dumped 8" snow, screwed up airports for days, expecting another storm tonight!)

Hijackers needed clear weather to avoid delays and to visually spot the targets.

As even the most accurate weather forecast is good for only about 5 days and then
about 80-90% accurate - hijackers would needed to book multiple flights and wait for
optimium weather. Once got clear weather for the chosen day could then activate
plan.
 
LastChild said:
When I say relevent I just mean that if someone wants to cover something up is it usually because it's irrelevent?
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No one has conceded that it actually was “covered up”.

There is something you should probably bear in mind. When you are charged with compiling a finite overview of an essentially infinite body of information, you will necessarily have to leave some of that information out.
 
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