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Fat man on a plane...one seat or two?

When I traveled with my then young daughter I would buy three seats for the two of us solely to insure that we would not be inconveniencing anyone with her fidgeting and our game playing during the flight.

On sold out flights it was not uncommon for other passengers to comment about how it was unfair that we had the entire row for ourselves.


My wife and I also often buy a third seat...especially now that airfares are lower...it generally has added up to about $150 per each of us per ticket, but it makes long flights all the more barable back there in prisoner class. We too get comments from other passengers about getting a whole row to ourselves, and occasionally, I've had stewardesses try to give my extra seat away...until I've pointed out that it was bought and paid for.
 
My wife and I also often buy a third seat...especially now that airfares are lower...it generally has added up to about $150 per each of us per ticket, but it makes long flights all the more barable back there in prisoner class. We too get comments from other passengers about getting a whole row to ourselves, and occasionally, I've had stewardesses try to give my extra seat away...until I've pointed out that it was bought and paid for.
I see nothing wrong with this. And it's actually far less costly than buying seats in first class.
 
I wonder if that photo is genuine? If it is, the man seems to be sitting not in his seat but on the arm of it. I'm not convinced the arrangement shown is the actual in-flight seating position, as opposed to him beginning to stand up or something like that.

That was my impression too. He isn't central in that seat.

But if he were central he'd be all over the guy on the right, and the window seat also seems to be occupied, so I'd guess he has sat on the armrest as a courtesy to his neighbour.

The article also says he was given a row to himself, which isn't the case in the photo. Looks like they re-arranged the seating.
 
I don't get it. If you TAKE UP TWO SEATS, due to being fat, extra tall, having wings, anything, pay for two seats.
 
Airlines seats are often limited in number. If someone has to take up two of them, it is fair to charge for two seats. Though, it should go without saying that they be treated with the same respect and dignity as other passengers. And, as a bonus: If they pay for two seats, they also get two meals, if meals are included on the flight.

In situations where there is less scarcity, such as movie theaters (most of the time), then there should be no reason to charge for two tickets.
 
They should sit them on a bean bag in front of the cockpit door, then we wouldn't need sky marshals.

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They just need to clarify--when you purchase airline tickets, are you purchasing transport, or are you purchasing the right to occupy a seat on that transport?

If you're paying to be conveyed to a destination, then it's the airline's problem if they have inadequate facilities to meet your needs. You paid, it's their duty to provide your passage. That they lack the proper equipment isn't your fault--they should have planned better by having more spacious planes, or at least finding out the passenger's sizes before they board.

But if you're not paying for transportation to a destination, but are instead renting a seat on a moving vehicle, then the burden is on you, the purchaser, to purchase the quantity and quality necessary to meet your needs.

So, which is it? I'd say that based on all their rules and regulations, and the industry habit of asserting total control over you and your possessions, and their ability to bump you, move you, delay you, and strand you on the damn tarmac for hours at a stretch while keeping you prisoner, the airlines have clearly demonstrated that their passengers are not renting a seat, they are paying for the service of being conveyed to their destination--the airlines claim the justification for their ridiculous level of control is that it's necessary to achieve this complicated feat of getting you from point A to B. Therefore, the burden is on the airlines. Are people too fat? Then make larger seats. The airline thinks something's unsafe? Make it safe. Widen the aisle. Add more emergency exits. Oh no, your profits? Your problem.
 
I'm a good 30 pounds or so over my ideal weight. That being said, I'm also above 6', and those plane seats are ridiculously uncomfortable. You end up sitting next to 2 6'+ guys, and I don't care if they're all skinny (unless they're twigs), you're not happy that flight.

I like the solution of giving the people who genuinely can't fit in a seat, like that man, an extra seat if its available, or just bumping them from the flight until one becomes available (or having them pay for an extra seat, if they don't like being bumped).
FWIW:
I like the solution of selling the people who genuinely can't fit in a seat, like that man, an extra seat. And then the airline being forbidden to fill it with a standby.

DR
 
FWIW:
I like the solution of selling the people who genuinely can't fit in a seat, like that man, an extra seat. And then the airline being forbidden to fill it with a standby.

DR

If the plane already is launching with seats empty, why? It's not like those seats would have been used anyway.

I think the solution of bumping them until there's a plane with empty seats, or making them pay for an extra seat ahead of time (their choice) avoids all of the whining without any unfairness.
 
They just need to clarify--when you purchase airline tickets, are you purchasing transport, or are you purchasing the right to occupy a seat on that transport?

If you're paying to be conveyed to a destination, then it's the airline's problem if they have inadequate facilities to meet your needs. You paid, it's their duty to provide your passage. That they lack the proper equipment isn't your fault--they should have planned better by having more spacious planes, or at least finding out the passenger's sizes before they board.

But if you're not paying for transportation to a destination, but are instead renting a seat on a moving vehicle, then the burden is on you, the purchaser, to purchase the quantity and quality necessary to meet your needs.

So, which is it? I'd say that based on all their rules and regulations, and the industry habit of asserting total control over you and your possessions, and their ability to bump you, move you, delay you, and strand you on the damn tarmac for hours at a stretch while keeping you prisoner, the airlines have clearly demonstrated that their passengers are not renting a seat, they are paying for the service of being conveyed to their destination--the airlines claim the justification for their ridiculous level of control is that it's necessary to achieve this complicated feat of getting you from point A to B. Therefore, the burden is on the airlines. Are people too fat? Then make larger seats. The airline thinks something's unsafe? Make it safe. Widen the aisle. Add more emergency exits. Oh no, your profits? Your problem.

By making larger seats and widening the aisle, etc, you drive up the price of air travel. In effect, you're making everyone pay more.

Perhaps they could have a couple of rows with larger chairs that would cost 1.5 times the price.
 
They just need to clarify--when you purchase airline tickets, are you purchasing transport, or are you purchasing the right to occupy a seat on that transport?
Both. It's not either/or. But, seats are limited. If you take two, you're preventing one other person from taking that one.

If you're paying to be conveyed to a destination, then it's the airline's problem if they have inadequate facilities to meet your needs. You paid, it's their duty to provide your passage. That they lack the proper equipment isn't your fault--they should have planned better by having more spacious planes, or at least finding out the passenger's sizes before they board.
Easier said than done. I'm sure some clever, innovative accountant can make the economics work, where we build larger planes and/or larger seats to accomodate the morbidly obese. But, you can't expect that to be done overnight.
 
They do, it's called 1st Class.

But, in order to afford first class, I'd need to cut back on junk food, which means I'd lose weight, which means I'd be able to fit into a coach seat, which means I could afford junk food, which means I'll gain wieght, which means I'd need the first class seat... wait. That's someone else to blame my yo-yo dieting problems on!

I need a lawyer...
 
Easier said than done. I'm sure some clever, innovative accountant can make the economics work, where we build larger planes and/or larger seats to accomodate the morbidly obese. But, you can't expect that to be done overnight.

Sounds like a business model for a niche market. "Pigasus airlines- helping pigs fly."
 
One thing they could do is have a special seating area with enlarged seats and while may charge more for it, like a department store charges more for larger clothes, wouldn't have to worry about the two seats. or another possible solution is to just have planes dedicated to large sized people and their families.
 
By making larger seats and widening the aisle, etc, you drive up the price of air travel. In effect, you're making everyone pay more.

And if they shrunk the current seats to half the size, we'd all pay less?.....Or would the airlines charge the same price and pocket the difference?

It doesn't really matter. If a business wants to stay in business, they make things work. Explaining quality failures as necessary because they lack the innovation to make it work...not a formula for success.
 
No.

Hey, I'm a big fat guy, "Obese" in every sense of the word, and 757lbs is more than twice my size. Hell yes he needs two tickets. Yes, his size is a safety concern.

I think the 757 was the airplane model, not his weight.


Although it could be both.
 

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