Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

[Ion]

Thank you for the background update. I suspect the Romanian part plays a role...

The biggest part in my education is played by France.
I went from studying in high school to an Engineering degree there.

I admire former French President Chirac who:

1.) banned religious displays in public places;

2.) opposed Bush on the war in Iraq (and offered the peaceful alternative of Saddam's exile, which Bush rejected because Bush is interested in waring Iraq in order to occupy and control the Middle East, while the killing of people in the process be damned to Bush);

3.) attempted to draw a Secular European Constitution;

4.) is atheist himself, scientifically minded.

Contrast 1.), 2.), 3.) and 4.) with Bush's religious Fascist lunacy.

Then contrast 1.), 2.), 3.) and 4.) with Bush's support in this alleged skeptics's forum, in this alleged skeptics's thread.


I like the new French President Sarkozy less than Chirac.

 

[Ion]

So, after that try, we're back to harder than diamond..

"don't feed the troll."

I know Toku.

I am not feeding you.

 

[latent aaaack]

So I take it Skeptigirl has abandoned her thread?

The consensus seems to be that Wolf bogarted the topic for now by not doing all that good a job on her analysis and being a feminist author who oddly now tackles an un-related topic she's not an expert in. Plus people keep mistaking people who believe the US is turning authoritarian for people who think the US is now authoritarian.

 

[Elind]

somebody else feed him, please.

 

[jsfisher]

somebody else feed him, please.

He is rather obese already.

 

[shuize]

I am not a coward like you to leave.

I stay and fight U.S. Fascism.

I see. You've packed up and left other places, but the real reason you stay in the U.S. is not because it offers you the most comfortable lifestyle. No. No. It's so that you can stay and fight "U.S. Fascism."

Funny.

You sound like a spoiled college kid who constantly whines about how "fascist" his parents are while living at home eating their food and sleeping under their nice warm roof. When presented an opportunity to leave, he of course declines. Not because life is so much easier at home. No. No. It's because he really needs to show them how wrong they are about everything.

Tell us, Ion. Besides posting on internet message boards, what exactly are you doing to "fight U.S. Fascism" that requires you stay there?

 

[gumboot]

I admire former French President Chirac who:

1.) banned religious displays in public places;

Yeah, let's not have any of that freedom crap!

-Gumboot

 

[Travis]

I don't know.

The fact is that the U.S. media is concentrated in the hands of a few like Murdoch.

Maybe Republicans like Murdoch are disenchanted with Bush and publish this poll, I don't know.

That's right. You don't know, but as long as speculation is going on let me offer up the idea that leprechauns are in control of nuclear missile silos in Russia.

Or maybe the U.S. media is afraid of Zogby, I don't know.

"Couric, Williams run, it's Zogby! Run for your lives!"

The fact also is that you lie:

Bush's approval rating is not 80% like you stated;
it was 29% for about a year -so there was plenty of time for you to register that, you registered that it was low in the 20s but you lie that Bush's approval rating is 80%-;
now Bush's approval rating is a record low of 24% (beating Nixon's lowest).

Here's what I wrote:

If only America had a free press. Alas, we don't, and Bush is enjoying 80% approval ratings, congress is still firmly run by the Republicans, there was no investigation of the collapse of Enron, the response to Katrina was hailed as efficient and thorough, Walter Reed Hospital is tip top as far as anyone knows and the invasion of Iraq is still widely supported since it has been such an unmitigated "success."

Is Congress still run by the Republicans? No.
Was the collapse of Enron investigated? Yes.
Was the response to Katrina hailed as "efficient" and "thorough?" No.
Were the conditions at Walter Reed reported? Yes.
Is the war in Iraq still popular and considered a success? No.

So, considering all that context, should a person seeing the statement about Bush having an 80% approval rating think that it is true or that I'm invoking sarcastic humor?

I expect right wingers like you -who distort facts and revisit history- to declare anytime soon:

"We all know the earth is flat. Countless studies show it..."

I'm a right winger only if you're some sort of ultra-Marxist. I'm a lifelong Democrat that voted against Bush and will be glad to see him gone.

 

[Elizabeth I]

If only America had a free press. Alas, we don't, and Bush is enjoying 80% approval ratings,...

Brain dead into lying, Travis?

Today's The San Diego Union Tribune in page A6 under

Poll drops Bush support to 24%

writes:

"...Bush's job approval rating fell to 24 percent from last month's record low for a Zogby poll..."

Note "...record low..." in it, meaning the polls never got another President (including Nixon) this low.

You really spread your brain dead lying propaganda here, Travis.

Um, Ion, go back and check Travis' post. It's called sarcasm.

 

[Travis]

Um, Ion, go back and check Travis' post. It's called sarcasm.

Thanks for understanding me.

 

[Ion]

I see. You've packed up and left other places, but the real reason you stay in the U.S. is not because it offers you the most comfortable lifestyle. No. No. It's so that you can stay and fight "U.S. Fascism."
...

shuizy,

I make the most comfortable lifestyle for myself by taking away from you.

 

[Ion]

The consensus seems to be that Wolf bogarted the topic for now by not doing all that good a job on her analysis and being a feminist author who oddly now tackles an un-related topic she's not an expert in...

And how are you are more of an expert than she is to be condescending like you are?

...
Plus people keep mistaking people who believe the US is turning authoritarian for people who think the US is now authoritarian.

I didn't know that I am mistaking.

Seems to me, I am right and you are wrong.

 

[Ion]

somebody else feed him, please.

You mean that you are destitute without food in U.S., Elindus?

He is rather obese already.

Look in a mirror.

Yeah, let's not have any of that freedom crap!

-Gumboot

Let's gummy? You are not in U.S., you are in New Zealand and you brown nose U.S..

What are you doing in a skeptics forum since for you banning religious display in government places is "...freedom crap!" -in your words-?

Go to a religious forum, preferably in New Zealand.

 

[Ion]

That's right. You don't know, but as long as speculation is going on let me offer up the idea that leprechauns are in control of nuclear missile silos in Russia.
...

Your diversion won't escape you.

...
Is Congress still run by the Republicans? No.
...

Republicans oppose Democrats in Congress so that Democrats can't over ride Bush in retreating U.S. soldiers from Iraq, in covering 6 million of children with government healthcare.

There are too many Republicans, and not enough majority of Democrats in Congress in order to over ride Bush.

As for you being Democrat, big deal:

Democrats Kennedy and Johnson started the war in Vietnam, Democrat Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq and is chummy with the weapon industry lobby -whose companies I listed above- and is corrupted.

By European standards, U.S. Democrats are right wingers like the U.S. Republicans.

 

[jsfisher]

Your diversion won't escape from the fact that:

you lied that Bush's approval rate is 80%.

You are a Bush lover.

Grasshopper, when you can pluck this sarcasm from my hand, then it will be time for you to go....

 

[Ion]

Um, Ion, go back and check Travis' post. It's called sarcasm.

I read this:

If only America had a free press. Alas, we don't, and Bush is enjoying 80% approval ratings, congress is still firmly run by the Republicans, there was no investigation of the collapse of Enron, the response to Katrina was hailed as efficient and thorough, Walter Reed Hospital is tip top as far as anyone knows and the invasion of Iraq is still widely supported since it has been such an unmitigated "success."

If only, Oliver, if only.

It's an attempted sarcasm, mixing true and false.

.) Bush doesn't have 80% approval ratings, but 24%, reported in the U.S. "...free press...";

.) Congress is barely run by Democrats, who cannot over ride Bush because there are too many Republicans in Congress;

.) the investigation of Enron was botched, because Lay was convicted then he died and cleared;
that's 'justice' in Capitalist U.S.;

.) the response to Katrina hurricane is acknowledged lame even by Republicans, who nonetheless support Bush like crooks;

.) Iraq's is botched, but Bush needs more time say Republicans;
no mentioning in there of lies and oil.

 

[Ion]

Grasshopper, when you can pluck this sarcasm from my hand, then it will be time for you to go....

Fish,

when you can pluck my sarcasm from my hand, go.

 

[Ion]

I comment on these:

...
History tells us modern countries with reasonable democracies have changed into completely different countries over and over again.
...
I also have no way of judging where we actually are on the slippery slope and whether like in the McCarthy era, the pendulum will just swing back, or whether things could get scarier than they are now. It seems the pendulum is swinging back, but then all that talk about going to war with Iran and Bush having a year left really concerns me.
...
While it's obviously hard to imagine this country changing in any extreme way, what is it that prevents it from happening?...

First point is that U.S. is not a democracy.
It was intended to be, see "We the people..." in the Constitution, but Bush waring against the will of Americans that's anti-democratic, and that's one example of anti-democracy amongst many.

Second point is that the pendulum is not swinging back, it was always like this in U.S. for at leats 50 years.
See the right wing agenda that I posted in this thread, from a book.

Thirdly, U.S. is already extreme.
It has army all over the world, for Capitalist ''American interests'.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

To correct you, once again, before I bow out:

It was not intended to be a democracy. I posted several things in a thread ago about how the founding fathers were terrified of mob rule.

Secondly, you missedt he sarcasm again. All of what he said was false.

Yeah, let's not have any of that freedom crap!

-Gumboot

Ever heard of religion of freedom? Maybe? Possibly? Just because he lives in NZ doesn't mean he's concerned about freedom worldwide.

shuizy,

I make the most comfortable lifestyle for myself by taking away from you.

Classy.

 

[Ziggurat]

Fish,

when you can pluck my sarcasm from my hand, go.

You didn't get the reference, did you?