Faith in Creation

Ryokan said:
, I do believe you're sincere about it), to me it sounds like 'you're not reading the bible right, and therefore you don't understand it. Isn't this what you're saying?

Thanks for the sincere, but Im not saying you cant understand it. Its just not a book like a novel you can pick up and start at page 1. If you want go ahead but I guarentee you will be confused. Then you will complain to me or someone its confusing. Or you can approach it in perhaps new or old, John then the rest of the big 4 or numbers for some real excitement. Im just saying if one wants to actually get something out of it pick a block or a book. Then it will read better.

I'm lucky, I have a job that involves 8 hours of just surfing to make time go (nightshift at a hotel). But the thing is, from reading your posts in this forum, I think you're a very reasonable person, who happens to be a Christian. Yet, you're undecided when it comes to the evidence for/against a global flood. Therefore, I am VERY interested in what you think is the #1 evidence pointing to a flood, the evidence that makes you unsure what conclusion to draw.

Thanks, I will hint as to why if ya keep Ossai from endless questions lol :D I havent checked it all out yet. I know what the bible says and probably the most popular of what evolutionists say. Its not doubt in God its Im not gonna blindly believe I want to know or at least have a good idea before I decide. Even tonight tlc had something on it about a 7 day flood according to ? sorry forgot just saw couple minutes of it didnt catch the name. Wish Id seen it from the beginning. Too busy talking to you guys. :)

As for #1 evidence for would be the bible. But Im wondering about this partial flood and now this 7 day thing. But Ive looked at the Grand canyon, and Lake Powell I live in the high plains of Alberta I can see how a flood could occur too. But like the earth in 7 day part, hmm 7 of a day like we know or 7 of Gods days. Possibly the flood fits in the same way. Dont know havent decided. Now, Ive been honest, please no flaming :D

So as long as we love each other, we can steal, whore, engage in homosexual activity, utter blasphemy, and enjoy life as we see fit? Cool, I think I like your version of Christendom ;) [/B]

Yes true love is stealing and whoring, now your being silly. If thats true then there is absolutly nothing wrong with the world today.

Have a good night. :)
 
Kitty Chan
They refer back and forth to each other, they dont acknowledge one another, they can have a common theme, they repeat and dont repeat each other.
You want to read that again and make sense out of it.

So to be clear the separate books are not in specific order like a series. They are in a general order I guess, but not series. Im not picking and choosing parts, maybe just picking the books in a general order then reading from there. All parts no missing. If one read a series of books out of order then it would be confusing. Same with the books of the bible, thus why they are called that.
To repeat Mosquito
Why not a "verses in the correct order for study"-version?

Just like care for one another. People are all too content for someone else (expecially Jesus) to take care of everything so they dont have to lift a finger. Thats why He said care and love one another.
Isn’t that pretty much a brief description of the Christian heaven?

Ive said the jurys out, Im going with the biblical account until I see new info that disputes it. Im not asking anyone to believe it, so I dont need to post anything about it.
You’ve said the jury’s out. It’s not out, it disbanded somewhere around 1750 – geology put the last nail in that coffin over 200 years ago.

The only thing I know for sure about the flood is that this world will return to the attitude like those in the day of Noah.
Gee, the morality story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians and adapted is more important to you than the non-existent physical flood. Then why bring up a physical flood and declare ‘it happened cause it’s in the Bible’.

Where is is written that if a book contradicts physical evidence it should be thrown out?
Let’s give an example. If you buy a book purporting to be scientifically accurate and all through it 1+1=3 (decimal), wouldn’t that cause you to reconsider the validity of the rest of the book?

Ive not heard that the catholics and lutherns disagree about Jesus what is it they disagree on?
Way to long to go into here, but they disagree on a number of thing about and around Jesus, not just the selling of indulgences and purgatory. Maybe someone else can recommend a good book on the subject. What I’ve picked up has mainly been from Catholic and Lutheran friends.

As for Paul, he may of had a spiritual conversion but he didnt say that Jesus was only spiritual. The disiples accepted him as their own.
Paul was concerned with a Hellenistic Christ cult. You can look up chapter and verse, but when questioned about his conversion and source of authority, Paul declared himself a discipline – just like the others, but he had never been visited in the flesh. Go look up what the Gnostics believed. It should give you a better handle on what Paul believed and taught.

As for the Jesus movement I think Ive heard about this. But I dont believe they are a church?
The Jesus movement was on of the early churches. They followed Jesus’s teachings but did not believe he was divine, merely a holy man or prophet. They were actually a significant percentage of those that would have been considered Christians at that point in time. They were forcibly keep from the council of Nincevia (sp – at some point I’ll may learn how to spell) to ensure that their version wouldn’t win. If you want yet another off shoot of Christianity that was destroyed by Catholic church, look up the Carthers.

As for Lewis, I have said I enjoyed reading what he said exactly because, of him dwelling in bad bits and not glossing. Obviously theres a perspective you have or some other thing. I would have to ask for a instance or some theme you mean as I cannot honestly imagine what you mean.
Ok, briefly about Lewis, he tried to answer Epicure’s riddle a number of times but never did. People claim he did but once you stop and actually think about his answer you realize he’s just piled on more BS to disguise the fact that the conundrum is still unanswered.

How does this statement make me "ignorance of church history" by stating the church is guilty of being corrupt and forgetting what it was formed to foster.
Easy answer, read the list of grievances Martin Luther posted. (and if you find them online post a link)

And I covered the sexist issue of women being property already. One of those un comfy parts that I wanted to know the answer to that everybodys handy to say I dont look at.
So it is ok if a virgin female is raped as long as the rapist pays the father 30 shekels of silver and marries her.

Ryokan
to me it sounds like 'you're not reading the bible right, and therefore you don't understand it. Isn't this what you're saying?
That is exactly what she is saying, again and again.

Ossai
 

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