Failure mode in WTC towers

OCT? Are you 12?

I will commit if you show me any loud demo charge sounds in any video of the Twins Towers falling. Without them you have zip.
 
Introduction to, the painless quick death and proper burial of piston theory:


Curioso number 6: Ejections below the "collapse" front.

Unquestionably the most interesting place to study these ejections is during the "collapse" of the North Tower, northwest corner.

Within all the South Tower video clips I only see 3, maybe 4 ejections well below the "collapse" plane: The 2 previously shown on the south face, 1 on the east face, center of the building around floor 40 to 45 and maybe one on the northeast corner, midway up the building.

On the North Tower, northwest corner we have 3 pairs of forceful ejections clearly visible. There are recurring mathematical patterns seen in each of these pairs of ejections. They duplicate themselves.

The first two pairs first appear with a forceful ejection on the west face quickly followed by another ejection on the north face one floor below. The third pair is identical but reversed: The first ejection is on the north face, quickly followed by an ejection on the west face.

FIRST PAIR: Emanates from floors 86, 85. They are visible in the following clips

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04207676&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...11074880&hl=en

Note this second clip shows the pair with a third ejection on the west face.


SECOND PAIR: Located 9 floors below the first pair, on floors 77, 78. The folowing clip most clearly shows this second pair (you can also see the first pair, though not very well).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7t3XQ2PbM


THIRD PAIR: Most clearly visible in the following clip

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...93100578&hl=en

I would estimate this pair to originate from around the 40th floor.


Three distinct pairs showing the same mathematical and geometric patterns. The only difference between each pair is how far from the corner of the building each ejection appears.

Please note the locations of all core column-to-column welds in this region:

Floors 98, 95, 92, 89, 86, 83, 80, 77, 75, 72....


Let´s also recall curioso number 4 while discussing these ejections.

Curioso #4: The WTC 1 northwest corner was captured very well in video clips during the "collapse" progression. It is possible to study the dust ejection patterns in detail.


The following clip from the BBC allows us to look down the west facade at the collapse front.

It is clear that the visible ejections along the southwest corner (far corner) are preceeding the same ejections along the northwest corner (near corner) by 10 to 20 floors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-jYSy1SxsI

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7t3XQ2PbM


Therefore, when studying the ejection patterns along the northwest corner in the following video clips, please remember that the collapse progression has already passed these same floors on the southwest corner before these ejections occured.


We established in curioso #3 that this entire west facade is peeling away from the building largely as a single continuous sheet. A few people told me this is "expected" and that the collapse front along this facade is caused by floors failing and piling up on one another.

But that means that, according to them, the southwest flooring is giving way about 10 to 20 stories ahead of the same flooring in the northwest, as visible in the clips linked above.



Within this context lets look at the following video clips:


1) Very good video clip. The camera follows the "collapse" front down the northwest corner. The editor uses slower and slower motion to show dust ejection patterns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeaW...eature=related


2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcKbPEaZ3KU



According to NB and Norseman, the very front of the collapse wave is caused by the perimeter columns of the upper block falling within the perimeter of the lower block, thereby severing the collections between the flooring and the perimeter.

This would mean they are severing the flooring from the perimeter along the southern portion of the west facade 10 to 20 stories ahead of the same flooring on the northern portion?



Three distinct pairs showing the same mathematical and geometric patterns. The only difference between each pair is how far from the corner of the building each ejection appears.

The following diagram shows the locations of each of these 6 ejections relative to the locations of core columns. The core column locations are accurate, having been lifted directly from the blueprints. The location of the first ejection on the west side is difficult to locate but it certainly appears where it is marked.


ejection_locations_nt.jpg




End of curioso number 6.


Now let´s think about what this idea that the upper block acts like a piston actually means.

A piston pushing down on a relatively sealed chamber increases the pressure of the air inside. Assuming relatively constant temperature during this quick process as we apply piston theory to the twin towers and using the ideal gas law, we can see the relatin between pressure and volume wil be P=k/V where k is a constant.

Piston theory as applied to the towers in question roughly assumes

1) The space enclosed by the piston and chamber is an effectively sealed system.

2) The inner plane surface of the piston itself is not parallel to the the open space office flooring before any destruction occurred, but is defined by the very front the collapse wave as seen by the leading edge of the ejections observed on each surface of each tower.

This tells us that, for the North Tower, the south edge of the piston surface leading the north edge by 10 to 20 floors, depending on how far down the leading ejections have progressed.

In the case of the south tower the angle between the surface of the piston and the planes defined by the office flooring before any destruction occurred is even more extreme, since we witnessed quite a tilt in the upper "block". The east edge of the piston surface is clearly leading the west edge.


For now let´s assume that this is a sufficiently sealed system. I personally don´t believe in this assumption, but for the sake of argument I won´t challange it for now.

Various questions naturally arise when trying to explain the "dust" ejections observed by means of piston theory considering the verifiable facts stated above.

Anyone seeing some contradictions here?
 
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OCT? Are you 12?

I will commit if you show me any loud demo charge sounds in any video of the Twins Towers falling. Without them you have zip.

You seem to be confused. You don't hear things on video, it's audio you want.

The sounds not appearing on TV audio devices doesn't mean the sounds didnt occur. Many people heard them.

For example, the BBC reporter described "huge explosions that we all heard and felt"

Did he make that up because that explosion wasnt on audio?
 
Major Tom there is nothing more to discuss here. There is not any dust ejections missing any floors here. There is no piston inside that tower sealing off any thing. The upper block had windows just like the lower block. And the upper block was tilting, you can calculate for yourself the horizontal distance between the exterior wall of the lower block and the broken off edge of the upper block on the east side of the tower. Then you can think about how a corner office could delay dust ejections. In fact you should start to think a bit more about the things going on inside the towers during the collapse instead of staring yourself blind on dust ejections. No one can give you a detailed account of exactly how the floors inside the towers broke up etc, it was a very chaotic event. I have given you more than good enough explanations on a macro level here Major Tom.

There was nearly 15 000 cubic meters of air on each floor inside does two towers, that were forced to move somewhere else very quickly by the gravity driven collapse Major Tom. That is what you see being ejected out of the towers together with smoke, ash, gypsum dust, concrete dust, paper, etc in the videos of the WTC collapses.

What creates all the dust in this controlled implosion, detonations used to initiate the collapse or the gravity driven collapse of the building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcctmcxGwM

Then there was the case of the missing sound of detonations in all the WTC collapse videos. There is no way you can get around that fact to make your fantasy true Major Tom.

So once again:
Aircraft impact -> structural damage and fires weakening the structure -> gravity driven collapse.

The only nefarious activity was a group of suicidal Al -Qaeda hijackers crashing one plane into each tower.

That's it, there is nothing more to discuss here Major Tom.
 
You seem to be confused. You don't hear things on video, it's audio you want.

The sounds not appearing on TV audio devices doesn't mean the sounds didnt occur. Many people heard them.

For example, the BBC reporter described "huge explosions that we all heard and felt"

Did he make that up because that explosion wasnt on audio?
Were the iron workers involved in the clean-up "in on it"?
 
There was approximately 40000 people involved in the clean-up that never reported anything odd about the steel. No detonators hanging around or steel conections that showed blast effects. Were these people "in on it" so they wouldn't talk? If you say they were afraid to lose their jobs if they talked then I want you to tell that to their faces.
 
There was approximately 40000 people involved in the clean-up that never reported anything odd about the steel. No detonators hanging around or steel conections that showed blast effects. Were these people "in on it" so they wouldn't talk? If you say they were afraid to lose their jobs if they talked then I want you to tell that to their faces.

My post was about audio. Care to address that before asking me random loaded questions?
 
You seem to be confused. You don't hear things on video, it's audio you want.

The sounds not appearing on TV audio devices doesn't mean the sounds didnt occur. Many people heard them.

For example, the BBC reporter described "huge explosions that we all heard and felt"

Did he make that up because that explosion wasnt on audio?

Videos have audio on them silly. There are many videos of the collapses and none have the demo charge sounds on them. Many people did not hear the demo charges they heard what they thought were explosions.

The BBC guy heard what he thought was an explosion it was not necessarily a bomb or democharge. Are you one of the stupid Loose Change mob who do not know what a simile is?

You're out of your depth here sunshine. Go to implosionworld.com and look at allthe videos of building CD's and then come back here with similar videos from 911. You can't and won't
 
Videos have audio on them silly. There are many videos of the collapses and none have the demo charge sounds on them. Many people did not hear the demo charges they heard what they thought were explosions.

The BBC guy heard what he thought was an explosion it was not necessarily a bomb or democharge. Are you one of the stupid Loose Change mob who do not know what a simile is?

You're out of your depth here sunshine. Go to implosionworld.com and look at allthe videos of building CD's and then come back here with similar videos from 911. You can't and won't
How long before he/she pulls out the video from 9/11 mysteries? J we already know about the fake videos with the added sounds so don't bother.
 
Are you saying that explosives don't leave any physical evidence behind. People describe all sorts of things as explosions. Ever here of a simile?

How are you so sure that nobody has reported physical evidence of explosives?
 
How are you so sure that nobody has reported physical evidence of explosives?
Have you seen any reports? I have a few friends (iron workers) that were at the site and they saw nothing. What do you have for physical evidence. Please don't post the "thermite angle cut" because we both know how that was done.
 
The BBC guy heard what he thought was an explosion it was not necessarily a bomb or democharge. Are you one of the stupid Loose Change mob who do not know what a simile is?

For what it's worth, "the BBC Guy" (Steve Evans) was describing events at impact, not at collapse. He heard the impact (described as not an explosion) followed by deflagrations of jet fuel. Nothing at all inconsistent with the expected events. His full quote is the following:

"I was at the base of the 2nd tower, the second tower that was hit. There was an explosion -- I didn't think it was an explosion, but the base of the building shook. I felt it shake, then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions."

What we've got here is another quote-miner, with no hard evidence and a list of excuses. Don't waste your time.
 
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For what it's worth, "the BBC Guy" (Steve Evans) was describing events at impact, not at collapse. He heard the impact (described as not an explosion) followed by deflagrations of jet fuel. Nothing at all inconsistent with the expected events. His full quote is the following:

"I was at the base of the 2nd tower, the second tower that was hit. There was an explosion -- I didn't think it was an explosion, but the base of the building shook. I felt it shake, then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions."

What we've got here is another quote-miner, with no hard evidence and a list of excuses. Don't waste your time.

Stop misquoting him. He says there was a huge explosion at the base of the tower before it collapsed.
 
Stop misquoting him. He says there was a huge explosion at the base of the tower before it collapsed.

I just gave you the full quote. You're the one misquoting him.

He did say there was a huge explosion at the base of WTC 2, before it collapsed -- like an hour before it collapsed. It was caused by jet fuel, and nobody doubts its existence.
 
I guess it is this video JHarrow is quoting from:


But this much lower explosion is certainly not here:



No sound of detonations in any of the videos!
 

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