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Facing the Giants

he was being sarcastic, but my response was more an invitation to discussion than anything, but such an invitation does not extend to you.
 
Sorry guys, I meant to be much more active within this thread, but my spring time chores got the best of me.

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What really bugs me is that Christianity is what close to 2,000 years old.

And nowhere within those 2,000 years is there a story about a guy and his family who's life turned rosey after brining Christ into their lives!?!?

I mean, if your religion is SO great, there must be like millions of people living the good life because of Jebez. Why not make a movie about REAL people who's lives where turned right-side-up, after getting God in their lives'???

I have no problem accepting Jebez was a real guy, who talked some good jive, back in the day, and IF you 'accept' his teachings you might even feel better about yourself and your life.

However, I have a HUGE problem with someone just making up some **** story with a perfect ending, to be served up to the masses as nothing more than propaganda.

In my opinion, this film has no more validity than the old "Reefer Madness" flick. Neither was based on reality or truth.
 
King of the Americas said:
Sorry guys, I meant to be much more active within this thread, but my spring time chores got the best of me.

What really bugs me is that Christianity is what close to 2,000 years old.

And nowhere within those 2,000 years is there a story about a guy and his family who's life turned rosey after brining Christ into their lives!?!?

I mean, if your religion is SO great, there must be like millions of people living the good life because of Jebez. Why not make a movie about REAL people who's lives where turned right-side-up, after getting God in their lives'???

However, I have a HUGE problem with someone just making up some **** story with a perfect ending, to be served up to the masses as nothing more than propaganda.

In my opinion, this film has no more validity than the old "Reefer Madness" flick. Neither was based on reality or truth.
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So, I guess you are also pissed that Frodo dropped the ring into the fire, that Aragon defeated his enemy, that Bard shot Smaug in the heart, and that Luke used the Force to help achieve victory over that bastard, the Emperor!

It is a story based on an archetype. Get over it.

Lose the anger over a fable. You are wasting energy. There are plenty of other things to get irritated about (check out Ed Ainsworth, he's up in Lubbock) and the ten year stats in Texas on "abstinence only sex education" if you want to get pissed. That is your tax dollars being pissed away on a failed program, not a story you can choose to ignore.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
So, I guess you are also pissed that Frodo dropped the ring into the fire, that Aragon defeated his enemy, that Bard shot Smaug in the heart, and that Luke used the Force to help achieve victory over that bastard, the Emperor!
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False analogy. LOTR and Star Wars are not seriously presented as historical fact. People have not been put to death for questioning the accuracy of those stories.
 
"Fictional tales" presented AS FICTION don't bother me.

Making up stuff and presenting it AS truth really bothers me. Moreover this DVD was bought with 'my' tax dollars, which was the genesis of this movie bothering me.

Personally, I am not a 'religious' person. I was raised Catholic, but left the church when I reached the age of reason. I was raised to believe that a lie in support of an issue, isn't actually 'support' at all, but rather an example of a weak stance.

If you stand on the good & right side of an issue, lies only hurt you.

And that is what this movie is, a HUGE LIE, in support of Christian beliefs.

The part of me that is really pissed isn't the agnostic part, but rather that sliver of me that still believes in a God and the teachings he/she/it has tried to pass along through these supposed prophets.

IF the movie were about a REAL coach, who's team was suffering, who's car was a heap, and who's wife couldn't conceive, until he FIANLLY finds God & Christ, and indoing so turns his life around...well I'd have nothing against such a film. Because it would be TRUE. In fact, IF I saw movie after movie about this happening, I might be forced to re-think my position.

But this isn't what this film is...

In my opinion, this hurts the believer's case, simply because it is an outright falsehood.
 
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Jesus is big on sports.

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Just watch where you put those hands, kid.
 
JF,

I never SAID that the movie producers suggested it was based on a real story...

Christianity however, IS REAL.

My point is that IF Christianity is so awesome, there should literally be millions of 'success' stories that they could have made a film about,
RATHER than making up a completely 'fictional tale' to support their religion.

Christianity may very well have saved people's lives, and made them more successful, happy, and fertile. A movie featuring a REAL person who's life was thusly affected by Christ wouldn't bother me at all.

While I will conceed that the movie doesn't claim to be based on a ture story, it also doesn't state the reverse.

I mean, the absolute LEAST they could have done was state: "Christianity- RESULTS MAY VARY".

Watch the movie for yourself, and YOU tell me what you get out of it. You tell me what message one is supposed to take from it...

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Lonewulf,

Our local library is support by our City tax revenues, mostly from sales tax. However, our operational budget also depends on donations.

I was actually quite angery with the Directory for spending money on such a thing. I mean, such a thing appeals to a narrow audience, and knowing our patrons the way I do, I'd almost bet that someone would have donated the movie before long. I live in a very german-catholic community, and our shelves are stocked full of 'christian material' that's been donated.

Personally, I am almost offended by the purchase of christian propaganda with tax dollars.

I can't imagine the outrage that would occure in this community if we were to spend library funds on a Muslim themed film with the same summery.
 
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bruto said:
Public Library copy.

Many worms in that can.
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Oh, noes! Media in a library!

I understand the public funding side to the argument, but would you oppose the library carrying religious texts, or "Mein Kampf"?

If I want to find media on insane cultural phenomenon, I may try the library.
 
strathmeyer said:
Oh, noes! Media in a library!

I understand the public funding side to the argument, but would you oppose the library carrying religious texts, or "Mein Kampf"?

If I want to find media on insane cultural phenomenon, I may try the library.
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Personally I'm for zero limits on what can and can't be carried at libraries.
 
RandFan said:
Personally I'm for zero limits on what can and can't be carried at libraries.
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My point exactly. I can feel personally that it's too bad that any library spends public funds on things I don't approve of, but others feel that way about the things I would consider essential. It's much more practical to please nobody than to please everybody.
 
As a library card holder & volunteer, I'd rather see us 'spending library funds' on things tha we are likely NOT to get donated. Believe it or not, our community has stocked our religious section quite full. There certainly isn't a shortage of christian religious material, here.

So, I didn't see the 'need' to spend money on such a thing, when it probably WOULD have been donated in a matter of months...

Now, I wouldn't oppose such a thing being IN the library, just that we shouldn't spend limited funds on something we are already 'thick' with.

That said, if it were publicized that we DID spend money on a movie with a similiar theme, only the God was "Alla", and the prophet was "Mohammad" rather than Christ, we'd have the KKK out front with picket sign in hand the following day.
 
Beerina said:
So.

Did the "good guys" cheat by getting assistence from God? Or did they earn it honestly?
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More importantly, was the losing team in any way affiliated with Satan?

You know, hail Satan and all that. Hail Satan.
 
JonnyFive said:
More importantly, was the losing team in any way affiliated with Satan?

You know, hail Satan and all that. Hail Satan.
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No, because you can also get good things from selling your soul to satan. It's possible, though, that football is just too American, or that not even Old Nick can help you throw that perfect spiral.

Anyway.

Regarding the topic. Libraries are my most valuable source for religious/supernatural tripe. Then it's just the government supporting quackery in limited quantities, and my money isn't supporting this

Still, though, I understand. It bugs me that they let that stuff into libraries (possibly the closest thing I have to hallowed ground.) Despite that, I think that to ban it would be severely harmful, to wait for donation much less so.

But consider this: perhaps with the large Christian population, the library getting a few copies might give the Christians in your neighborhood a way to get the video without giving more money to the people who produced this emetic.
 
THANK YOU, "Glen.Nogami"!

Your insight HAS provided me with a little solice, in this matter.

I WOULD rahter the library pay for ONE copy rather than all of Muenster buying their own copy.

That said, I'd still rather have waiteduntil it was donated...

On that note, Saturday a patron brought this movie in to donate, along with about a half a dozen Christian Rock CD's. Now we have TWO copis of this poppie-cock.
 
RandFan said:
Personally I'm for zero limits on what can and can't be carried at libraries.
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What?! Why, how dare you! Of course we should censor everything that we don't like in libraries! This gets rid of them entirely, and I can buy them for my own personal use. ;)
 
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