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Faces Of Meth

The pictures were not dramatic in the least. The ONLY photo that looked worse off afterward was the 2nd photo of the woman and that was after 2.5 years of abuse.

The first guy looks like he had some acne breakout or some facial burns(Probably from lab explosion?)

The 3rd and 4th actually look better or the same. I know the 4th looks better.
 
The heck with the egg analogy, * is your anus before prison, O is after a night in Bubbas cell.
 
Yeah, the last girl's looks improved there. Far from the scariest faces of meth I've seen. OK, I just saw one other somewhere else a few months ago: one of a teenage girl who had commited suicide, the pre-meth picture was completely normal looking, while the post-meth was an inhuman zombie face. Now that was scary.
 
Dancing David said:
(Some drugs are useful but they should be used under the supervision of a doctor, after alcohol the most commonly abused drugs are other people perscriptions.)
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To be clear when I say "drugs are bad" I mean street drugs, or drugs that are acquired to feed a habit as opposed to a medical need. Now, I am well aware that some drug users are self-medicating, some of them even somewhat successfully, but instead of anti-drug hysteria, there ought to be a way to deal with that, and have it medically examined.

But, of course, that still leaves out poor people in this country (and always will given the present government) and so the drug problem will remain.
 
It varies. I know more than one person who is addicted to meth. At least one has been addicted for 2 or 3 years. You would never know it, looking at them. You'd never know it talking to them, either. You'd never know it by looking at the fact that they are still keeping their careers going. Basically, you'd never know it.

I'm not saying doing meth is harmless. I am saying that websites like the one listed over-sensationalize the issue, thereby losing credibility. People see websites like that and think "Wow, this is what happens to everyone that uses meth!" Then they see/meet/read about other people that aren't as dramatically affected, and they think "Wow, that other website was lying to me!" (I'm not saying the website is lying. I am saying that the person in my example scenario could conclude the website is lying.)

A loss of credibility due to blowing things out of proportion has always been a problem with the WAR ON DRUGS.
 
jj said:
To be clear when I say "drugs are bad" I mean street drugs, or drugs that are acquired to feed a habit as opposed to a medical need. Now, I am well aware that some drug users are self-medicating, some of them even somewhat successfully, but instead of anti-drug hysteria, there ought to be a way to deal with that, and have it medically examined.

But, of course, that still leaves out poor people in this country (and always will given the present government) and so the drug problem will remain.
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Just out of curiousity, do you believe that alcohol is safer than any of the illegal drugs?

I myself don't consider alcohol to be the safest drug one could abuse. And I don't make a moral distinction between getting drunk and getting high, tripping, whatever. Now, there is certainly a medical and scientific distinction between different drugs in terms of their addiction potential. But that still does not differentiate alcohol from some of the drugs that are currently illegal. Not all of the illegal drugs have a high addiction potential. And certainly not all of them have a higher addiction potential than alcohol.
 
jj said:
To be clear when I say "drugs are bad" I mean street drugs, or drugs that are acquired to feed a habit as opposed to a medical need. Now, I am well aware that some drug users are self-medicating, some of them even somewhat successfully, but instead of anti-drug hysteria, there ought to be a way to deal with that, and have it medically examined.

But, of course, that still leaves out poor people in this country (and always will given the present government) and so the drug problem will remain.
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I think the problem, when you speak in generalities like "drugs are bad [mmkay]," is that "drugs" encompasses a wide spectrum of substances. Not every "drug" is a crystal meth or a crack. There's also health drugs, prescription as well as OTC, which are essential to medical care. (And many of us, myself included, would be dead without.)

There are also drugs that are considered socially acceptable, such as alcohol, nicotine (ok, somewhat acceptable), and caffeine. (I challenge anyone to try and ban or control caffeine; you'll be facing Nerd Riots the likes of which you cannot possibly imagine. Heroin withdrawal is nothing compared to a programmer deprived of caffeine.)

There are also outlawed drugs that are considered relatively harmless - of course, I'm mainly talking about marijuana, but there are other "soft" drugs that, while not exactly stellar for your health, aren't exactly in the same league as meth, heroin, or crack.

So while I appreciate (and agree with) the sentiment behind your earlier post about DARE, jj, I would argue that using phraseology like "drugs are bad" essentially isn't that much different from what DARE is doing. You're reducing a complex topic into a soundbite.
 
Freakshow said:
Just out of curiousity, do you believe that alcohol is safer than any of the illegal drugs?
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Well, it's safer than crack. Probably safer than meth, don't know the addictive status of that one offhand.

The biggest reason alcohol is safe is that it's not illegal, though. You are welcome to point out the irony in that statement, I'm quite aware of it.

I will though, point out that at least some alcohol has a decent gustatory design. I don't think you can say that for things that you never even smell or taste.

I myself don't consider alcohol to be the safest drug one could abuse. And I don't make a moral distinction between getting drunk and getting high, tripping, whatever. Now, there is certainly a medical and scientific distinction between different drugs in terms of their addiction potential. But that still does not differentiate alcohol from some of the drugs that are currently illegal. Not all of the illegal drugs have a high addiction potential. And certainly not all of them have a higher addiction potential than alcohol.
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Well, I'm not disagreeing with you. I find the whole "war on drugs" and the way street and illegal prescription drugs are handled to be one of the real reasons that drugs are bad, in fact.
 
Cleon said:
So while I appreciate (and agree with) the sentiment behind your earlier post about DARE, jj, I would argue that using phraseology like "drugs are bad" essentially isn't that much different from what DARE is doing. You're reducing a complex topic into a soundbite.
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Well, one of the reasons that drugs (meaning illegal, street, not prescription or "socially acceptable" ones) are bad is the whole nonsense about treating people either abuse or are addicted to them as criminals rather than as addicts. The reasons I think "drugs are bad" is not as simple as you may assume it is. Part of what makes drugs bad is that they are illegal. Part is that some of them really DO muck up brain chemistry in a pretty much permanant fashion. Some of them aren't particularly bad chemically, but do cause people harm from behavioral issues.

But it doesn't matter BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DECLARE YOURSELF A CRIMINAL TO GET HELP if you're screwed by one of the "street" drugs, or even by some prescription drugs. What's more, if you do want to get them, you have to buy from an uncertain supplier, whose manufacture is hidden in some back alley ...

At least when I buy some kind of booze I can pretty much assume that there won't be any methanol or lead in it (or strychnine, benzene ...).

It's as much the legal and social problems as it is the brain-chemistry problems, in other words.

It seems clear that for "any substance" there is someone who will have a problem with it. Society calls some of those people victims, some of them weak-willed sots, and some of them criminals. No, that's not my bright idea OR my own thinking, but that's how society does it right now.
 
Again, JJ, I agree entirely with what you're saying, but I still see phraseology like "drugs are bad" to be more in line with the crap DARE puts out than reasoned analysis.
 
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