Facebook bans far right groups

[Stout]

Hmm I see it in conservative mindsets, breasts are of course horribly corrupting to the children, but hardcore nazi ideology is good for them.

That damn conservative social media site. Why good progressives even grace it with their presence is mind boggling. Good progressive need to show their objection by immediately deleting their accounts.

Better yet, flood your page with pictures of boobs and take your ban like a martyr.

Don't even get me started on that Tumblr thing. They just banned nipples...in 2018 ! This has got to be the work of Trump and his nazis.

 

[Stout]

I was describing the, in his words, fine people of the Charlottesville unite the right march. But thanks for playing. But I guess merely him being in office doesn't count as since he got elected for some reason.

Post #104 again, the problematic one. "stadium sized rallies" Attendance at unite the right was what ? Unite the right 2 got upwards of 20, maybe even 30.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Post #104 again, the problematic one. "stadium sized rallies" Attendance at unite the right was what ? Unite the right 2 got upwards of 20, maybe even 30.

Got it stadium sized rallies to promote racism and white nationalism are good as long as they are not too explicitly nazi and just about promoting hatred through lies about Hispanics. There is of course nothing wrong with that.

 

[Darat]

Words indeed mean thing, thus my point. We are so quick to label people we disagree with as Nazis when they really aren't at all. The very definition of the word can change under this practice. The meaning of words are always changing.

We are talking about people who label themselves.....

 

[Darat]

Che Geuvara's ideology called for mass killings of fellow citizens. Did you not know this? Well, you do now. So apply your free speech standards to that, what do you get?

Again it is a? I've not said anything about banning Hitler's photo and so on.

 

[Darat]

It is, however, a valid retort to "it's OK to do this stuff to Nazis".







Yes we are. Note that the thread title isn't even "Facebook bans Nazi groups". The categorization of other people as Nazis has been at the heart of this discussion from the start.

For you that may be the case but not for me. I've made it very clear how I am using the word Nazi, and it isn't me or others labeling someone a Nazi, it is the label they label themselves with.

 

[Stout]

Got it stadium sized rallies to promote racism and white nationalism are good as long as they are not too explicitly nazi and just about promoting hatred through lies about Hispanics. There is of course nothing wrong with that.

Ok, I feel bad, I'll give you that one, as long as we redefine the term "stadium sized" to mean the bleacher section of a middle school basketball court.

Just for this one though. Just this one. We need something, anything to prove the existence of the massive nazi menace and keep it on the front burner.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Might this forum benefit from following Facebook's lead and prohibiting such sentiments ? This whole skeptic thing appears to have run it's course and there's really no benefit to allowing that kind of thinking on this forum.

Is this forum a site recruiting white supremacists?

I think you may be misunderstanding the problem.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Ok, I feel bad, I'll give you that one, as long as we redefine the term "stadium sized" to mean the bleacher section of a middle school basketball court.

Just for this one though. Just this one. We need something, anything to prove the existence of the massive nazi menace and keep it on the front burner.

No I was talking the basic content of a typical Trump speech. But remember Trump supporters are nazis, bigots, and white supremacists.


Some I assume are good people.

So by basic reasonable definitions any trump rally can be taken as a nazi rally to do otherwise would be totally logically inconsistent and suggest that Trump might be racist. OF course he isn't and there is nothing demeaning about Trump supporters in any of this.

 

[Ziggurat]

We are talking about people who label themselves.....

Again it is a? I've not said anything about banning Hitler's photo and so on.

People who wear Che t-shirts are labeling themselves. How shall we treat them?

 

[applecorped]

People who wear Che t-shirts are labeling themselves. How shall we treat them?

Treat them as sports fans cuz they're probably big fans of Che Stadium

 

[smartcooky]

And yet, it is always and only implemented with violence. Must just be bad luck. Oh! Or it's not "true communism", how about that one? That was "stalinism" instead of "communism" (and Germany was under "hitlerism" not "nazism").

I don't think I can enough.

Funny how peaceful things can be after you kill all your enemies.

And Capitalism always comes about peacefully, with the full co-operation of all of the people on both sides..... oh wait

 

[smartcooky]

The Nazism of the first half of the 20th century? I'd agree with you. The modern form I am not familiar with enough to know what they want. I'm not even sure what constitutes as being one. Not being in 100% agreement with someone is enough to be labelled a Nazi. I don't know that I would say those people are inherently violent or calling for the killing of citizens as a number of those people end up being moderate conservatives or even far left leaning progressives. I have never met someone who identifies as a Nazi and would imagine their true numbers, the ones who actually act on their inherently violence beliefs, to be quite small.

I once encountered a guy who was a neo-Nazi. In talking to him, I was surprised to find that he was not a Holocaust denier. In fact, he said, the Holocaust was a tragedy... the tragedy being that Hitler didn't get all of them!

 

[Stout]

Is this forum a site recruiting white supremacists?

I think you may be misunderstanding the problem.

Any platform that allows anti-Islam and anti-immigrant speech can be a site recruiting white supremacists. This forum might even get on the SPLCs radar as a hate site.

 

[Stout]

So by basic reasonable definitions any trump rally can be taken as a nazi rally...

 

[I Am The Scum]

People who wear Che t-shirts are labeling themselves. How shall we treat them?

Do you really think that dedicated adherence to Che's politics (or even a passing familiarity with the subject) is common among those who wear the shirts?

 

[Ziggurat]

Do you really think that dedicated adherence to Che's politics (or even a passing familiarity with the subject) is common among those who wear the shirts?

We've apparently already decided to judge people on the basis of superficial signaling, and not their actual actions. That ship has sailed.

 

[Stankeye]

Keep rolling your eyes, then. I'm not wrong.

How would you get the means of production moved from the people who own it to the workers?

Also the dictionary (google) specifically calls it class war. Maybe they mean peaceful war?

 

[Ziggurat]

And Capitalism always comes about peacefully, with the full co-operation of all of the people on both sides..... oh wait

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Yes! Let's go with this! Ban anyone who advocates capitalism! And why stop there?

It seems like you thought this might refute me, but really, it supports my entire point. It doesn't work to ban people for support of abstract or historical violence, because everyone but pacifists will support violence under some conditions. And pacifism is a minority viewpoint which can only survive when it is protected by non-pacifists.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Again as long as "No you can use my soapbox" is "a ban" in your head we can't argue you down from your ledge.

Tell you what Zigg. Give me your password to this board* so I can login as you and speak with your voice. If you don't do that, you are banning me. Give me the keys to your house so I can walk in whenever I want and talk to your family. If you don't do that, you are banning me.

*Note to Mods. This is a hypothetical. I would obviously never actually post as another user.