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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

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Actually, the first link does ("supply the physics of DM particles") ... though I'd be the first to admit that it's not immediately obvious where! :rolleyes:

Perhaps the best place to start would be the Supplement, which begins on p27 (you have to open the full paper, not the abstract; you can do this by clicking on PDF in the top right hand box, for example).

There's a fair bit about how they set about establishing the initial conditions, then on p30 you read the following:.

That's (part of) the physics (actually one symbol doesn't show properly; there's a dot over the xi in pi = a2mixi).

Would you like someone to have a go at explaining this physics without symbols and equations?

Yes please, if possible!
 
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Actually, the first link does ("supply the physics of DM particles") ... though I'd be the first to admit that it's not immediately obvious where!

I'm going to leave it to the really smart physics dudes here to explain why those equations are not a description of the physical properties of Dark Matter.
 
I'm going to leave it to the really smart physics dudes here to explain why those equations are not a description of the physical properties of Dark Matter.
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One thing at a time, if you don't mind.

Earlier, you said: "Neither link seems to supply the physics of DM particles. Could you explain what they are?", and I answered by pointing to a part of the paper.

Do you think the extracts from the paper I quoted (plus the full context that I did not quote) tells you where, in the first link, "the physics of DM particles" is supplied?

In any case, how would you go about deciding whether material such as that I quoted (or any other material for that matter) is "the physics of DM particles" or not?

dogjones, I'll reply to your post later today.
 
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In any case, how would you go about deciding whether material such as that I quoted (or any other material for that matter) is "the physics of DM particles" or not?

I get out my rock quartz on a mithril chain and hold it over the document or monitor if it rotates to the right then it is a good document, if it rotates to the left then then it is a bad document.

Actualy i will do a citation serach or just Google the name of the author and see what other poeple have to say.
 
Yes please, if possible!
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Introductory caveat: the following is my first attempt, in this forum, to summarise in a few hundred words something as general and technical as the material in the Millennium Simulation paper. It will inevitably contain inaccuracies, over-simplifications, and so on. However, I hope it will not be too misleading or distort the relevant physics and models too much. I would very much like sol invictus, ben m, and zosima, who have (I think) indicated that they are professional physicists, and MattusMaximus, who has (I think) indicated that he is a science teacher, to comment on it, pointing especially to parts that they think are wrong, seriously misleading, or badly incomplete.

There are three domains at play in the part of the paper we are discussing, physics, mathematics, and computing science (numerical simulation). They are, of course, closely inter-woven, so it is not always easy to talk about each separately … but I'll try. In this post, I will not address the simulation aspects; if anyone's interested, I'd be happy to have a go at doing so later (or maybe someone else would like to?)

The physics which is explicitly used in the paper is Newton's three laws of motion, Newtonian gravity, and General Relativity (GR). Since Newton's day, a great deal of work has been done to express the three laws, and Newtonian gravity, in more general mathematical forms; three conservation laws thus encompass the three laws of motion – conservation of energy, conservation of momentum, and conservation of angular momentum.

There is a long tradition of how these parts of physics (and others, of course) are expressed in symbolic form, such as the use of the symbol t for time, and the use of bold to mean a vector quantity; this paper follows convention, making it relatively easy to connect what's in the paper to earlier work on systems of particles interacting via gravity (due to their mass), and to earlier work on universes where GR rules. This earlier work can be found in the papers explicitly cited, and in standard physics textbooks.

So, what this simulation does is start with a lot of 'point masses' (particles) - ~10 billion of them – distributed throughout a cube in a particular way (the xi at t = 0) and with particular velocities (the xi with a dot over the x at t = 0). The i-th particle has a mass of mi.

The particles are cold, dark matter (CDM): 'dark' because the only way they interact with each other is via gravity due to their mass; 'cold' meaning that none ever has a speed large enough to require (special) relativity (SR) to describe their motion (another way to say this is that the simulation does not include the physics of SR).

The CDM particles interact with each other, and the chunk of the universe 'evolves'. The only interactions are each particle's gravitational effect on every other particle.

How does GR enter into the simulation? That’s "the background cosmology". If you assume an isotropic, homogeneous universe in which GR rules, you have the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) metric as an exact solution to the Einstein field equations (of GR). That’s also why xi are called the 'comoving coordinate vectors', and that's how the scale factor (a(t)) enters the picture.

How the model represents – accurately - the effect of the gravity of each of the particles on all the others, and how all those particles move – accurately - as a result, as this chunk of Friedmann-Lemaître model universe evolves (t increases), is the numerical simulation part; needless to say, there are quite a lot of really, really neat things involved in this!
 
Robinson, I don't know if you saw the Ultrawave Theory post called "free book", but I think you would find it interesting. I took the first part of my book about particle theory (which supplies tests for provability) and extrapolated it to the entire universe. The results are that almost all of your extraordinary claims are explained in new terms that do not require any unusual new items like dark matter or dark energy that are created with unusual matter or energy; they are merely ones we already know about.
 
Robinson, I don't know if you saw the Ultrawave Theory post called "free book", but I think you would find it interesting. I took the first part of my book about particle theory (which supplies tests for provability) and extrapolated it to the entire universe. The results are that almost all of your extraordinary claims are explained in new terms that do not require any unusual new items like dark matter or dark energy that are created with unusual matter or energy; they are merely ones we already know about.
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So, would you care to share with all readers of this thread just how this amazing (so-called) theory accounts for all the extraordinary evidence (astronomical observations) posted earlier in this thread?

Or, perhaps, you'd care to comment on a not unreasonable inference drawn from your posting: you are here to promote/market something that you are not prepared to even answer questions on, much less engage in discussion about, based on critical thinking?
 
Because you are a shining example. Doubting everyone and everything is not skepticism. It is cynicism. And how can that help anyone ?

Skepticism is not doubting everything. It is not believing something unless it is proved.
Robinson seems on the verge of being proof of the old statement about if you don;t believe in something you will end up falling for anything.
 
Because you are a shining example. Doubting everyone and everything is not skepticism. It is cynicism. And how can that help anyone ?


Actually, doubting everyone and everything IS skepticism. Just a rather extreme and not a particularly useful variant thereof.

Cynicism is an ethic/viewpoint based on the assumption that everyone is solely acting in self-interest.
 
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So, would you care to share with all readers of this thread just how this amazing (so-called) theory accounts for all the extraordinary evidence (astronomical observations) posted earlier in this thread?

Or, perhaps, you'd care to comment on a not unreasonable inference drawn from your posting: you are here to promote/market something that you are not prepared to even answer questions on, much less engage in discussion about, based on critical thinking?

Although I did not intend to come back here, these darn emails keep coming...
Look, I could spend hours, days, years or forever trying to rewrite the whole book for you, but I not going to do that. All that I have stated is contained in the book, you only have to read it. Why do you think it is a book? My first attempt to publish to physical review was too short and still didn't have enough information to convince the reviewer to even read past the abstract. It is amazing to me that a theory that can explain all of the strange ideas we are currently stuck with in a coherent, physical way can be so easily dismissed. So far all of you who have commented only read enough to make a comment about some meaningless aspect of the wording (although it did help me make some changes to the site info). If there is something so powerful as to combine quantum mechanics and relativity, I would think that you would like to know about it. Unless any of you ask some specific question that is not addressed in the book, I cannot waste any more time revisiting what you can read already.
 
Although I did not intend to come back here, these darn emails keep coming...
Look, I could spend hours, days, years or forever trying to rewrite the whole book for you, but I not going to do that. All that I have stated is contained in the book, you only have to read it. Why do you think it is a book? My first attempt to publish to physical review was too short and still didn't have enough information to convince the reviewer to even read past the abstract. It is amazing to me that a theory that can explain all of the strange ideas we are currently stuck with in a coherent, physical way can be so easily dismissed. So far all of you who have commented only read enough to make a comment about some meaningless aspect of the wording (although it did help me make some changes to the site info). If there is something so powerful as to combine quantum mechanics and relativity, I would think that you would like to know about it. Unless any of you ask some specific question that is not addressed in the book, I cannot waste any more time revisiting what you can read already.
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So here's another email for you ...

When you have written a paper on how your idea can account for the billions of high quality astronomical observations that underlie the conclusions regarding 'non-baryonic cold dark matter' and 'dark energy', and have got it up on arXiv, why not drop back here with a link to that paper?
 
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So here's another email for you ...

When you have written a paper on how your idea can account for the billions of high quality astronomical observations that underlie the conclusions regarding 'non-baryonic cold dark matter' and 'dark energy', and have got it up on arXiv, why not drop back here with a link to that paper?


Where is the link to all of your important work?
If you bothered to read my book, you would see that it is merely a new theory of matter. But for that theory to be true requires several other things to be true.
1. Einstein was wrong with his energy theory; E does not equal mc^2.
2. Einstein was wrong about c being the speed limit of the Universe.
3. Einstein was wrong about the reasons for relativity.
4. Most of quantum theory is based on wrong assumptions.
5. All particles have mass at all times, which leads to the non-existence of DM and DE.

Yeah, I know it all sounds impossible, but it isn't.
I truly believe that anyone who is afraid of reading "Ultrawave Theory" is really afraid that they will not be able to understand it. It is actually quite simple and makes much more sense that anything else out there today. When you do want to ask a pointed question of detail, not some generalization, ask away.
Besides, they are no different from you; read abstract, knee-jerk reaction of "no way", quick reject. Been there done that.
 
It is amazing to me that a theory that can explain all of the strange ideas we are currently stuck with in a coherent, physical way can be so easily dismissed.

I'm dismissing it because the statements in your overview regarding nuclear physics are wrong. Oh and also your statements re. particle physics, quantum mechanics, astronomy and relativity too.

Where is the link to all of your important work?
You first.

If you bothered to read my book, you would see that it is merely a new theory of matter. But for that theory to be true requires several other things to be true.
1. Einstein was wrong with his energy theory; E does not equal mc^2.
2. Einstein was wrong about c being the speed limit of the Universe.
3. Einstein was wrong about the reasons for relativity.
4. Most of quantum theory is based on wrong assumptions.
5. All particles have mass at all times, which leads to the non-existence of DM and DE.
If you bothered to learn any physics you'd know you were talking complete and utter nonsense.

Yeah, I know it all sounds impossible, but it isn't.
Well, I'm convinced by that argument. Lets throw out all of 20th century physics in favour of damccut's book.

I truly believe that anyone who is afraid of reading "Ultrawave Theory" is really afraid that they will not be able to understand it.
Where did anyone say they were afraid to read it?

It is actually quite simple and makes much more sense that anything else out there today.
Modest too I see.

When you do want to ask a pointed question of detail, not some generalization, ask away.
Ok... are you seriously suggesting that atomic nuclei aren't made up of protons and neutrons?

Besides, they are no different from you; read abstract, knee-jerk reaction of "no way", quick reject. Been there done that.
The overview was more than enough to suggest you won't be winning the Nobel prize anytime soon.
 
Where is the link to all of your important work?
If you bothered to read my book, you would see that it is merely a new theory of matter. But for that theory to be true requires several other things to be true.
1. Einstein was wrong with his energy theory; E does not equal mc^2.
2. Einstein was wrong about c being the speed limit of the Universe.
3. Einstein was wrong about the reasons for relativity.
4. Most of quantum theory is based on wrong assumptions.
5. All particles have mass at all times, which leads to the non-existence of DM and DE.

Yeah, I know it all sounds impossible, but it isn't.
I truly believe that anyone who is afraid of reading "Ultrawave Theory" is really afraid that they will not be able to understand it. It is actually quite simple and makes much more sense that anything else out there today. When you do want to ask a pointed question of detail, not some generalization, ask away.
Besides, they are no different from you; read abstract, knee-jerk reaction of "no way", quick reject. Been there done that.


I agree with Tubbythin - you really should learn some basic physics before debunking all modern physics.
  1. E = mc2 is tested in many experiments. How do you think that the sun works? Ever hear of nuclear power?
  2. Having c as the "speed limit of the Universe" gives us Special Relativity, the predictions of which have been tested by many experiments.
  3. It is funny that his wrong reasons give theories that actually work.
  4. These "wrong assumptions" produce some of the most accurate calculations in physics.
  5. All particles have energy. Some particles (photons) do not have rest mass. The mass of all particles varies with their speed. This has to be taken account of in high energy physics.
Unfortunately we have "been there done that" before with other crackpot theories. My standard response is: Give us some testable predictions that are not produced by standard physics.

What are the testable predictions of Ultrawave Theory?
 
5. All particles have mass at all times, which leads to the non-existence of DM and DE.
Um , sure. Is that what you really want to say?

DM has mass otherwise it would not create gravitational attraction.

It is weakly interacting with the EM force, which is why it doesn't clump up or shine.

What did you mean to say?
 
I'll answer these questions plus some in other threads here rather than spread myself thin.
First, I have studied physics and engineering for forty years, so don't expect any of the silly non-physicist mistakes most people make. Since I am not a writer, that may be where most of the communication problems arise with trying to explain my theory.
Second, because you won't take the time to read the whole of the book it makes things more difficult because I have to reiterate things that are already well explained.

Let's try this: There is no such thing as E as defined by Einstein so substitute L=mv or p=mv, or whatever nom de plume you wish for momentum. The ultrawave that creates a particle is traveling at the 9E+16 m/s velocity, so when two of them collide a lot happens very quickly. This is the entire basis for nuclear interactions and the reason we do not need E. It is a very reasonable expectation that an electron turns into a photon because it is knocked out of it ability to form a torus (which is the shape of spin-1/2 particles) and travels in a criss-crossing waveform at the material speed limit of c, since it is attached to a brane with that velocity. We cannot directly detect the Cc velocity in our 3D world; we only see the string/brane combinations that are 3D. So, matter has a limit of c, waves a limit of Cc, and all quantum behavior is easily explained by both the motion of the Cc traveling waves, and the c traveling (converted matter) particles.

If current theories didn't produce the correct numerical answer then they would not have been accepted, so that is why they are used. Unfortunately, Einstein misinterpreted the observed material limit of c and applied it to the observed energy that required something on the order of c^2 and made what seemed the logical step of restating the observations as E=mc^2. If he had any reason to believe that a velocity like Cc could exist he would have came to the same conclusion as I did. I have only dropped the idea that E does not exist at all in the last year; I tried like heck to make UT work with E and with Planck's constant for years and all it got me was the first reject from physical review in 2000 or 2001. All they could say was that no one was looking down any of the roads I was following, so why bother? (not in those words of course). By the time I amassed enough evidence that I was sure that I had not made a mistake, the volume of work was so great that it begged to become a book and that is where it stands now. BTW, you don't need references for a book, besides anything that I felt required additional info. had the name or link included.

Yes, I am suggesting that some nuclei are particles based on the fact that spin-1/2 particle magnetic moments mesh perfectly with spin-1/2 nuclei magnetic moments, i.e. chapter six, and support the reasoning that all other spin types are probably created similarly, meaning not with protons and neutrons as original particles.

Of course DM has mass, that is why it helps hold galaxies together. All I'm saying is that it is normal matter such as neutrinos and photons (converted electrons). I'm not trying to change any evidence in any aspect of the universe we observe, merely the explanations for those observations. If there are any true faults with my logic, I haven't found them. If you would read all of the book then comment, I would sure be more willing to listen. Right now you sound just as ignorant to me as you believe I must be. It's like looking at where I was a decade ago.
 
I'll answer these questions plus some in other threads here rather than spread myself thin.
First, I have studied physics and engineering for forty years, so don't expect any of the silly non-physicist mistakes most people make. Since I am not a writer, that may be where most of the communication problems arise with trying to explain my theory.
Second, because you won't take the time to read the whole of the book it makes things more difficult because I have to reiterate things that are already well explained.

Let's try this: There is no such thing as E as defined by Einstein so substitute L=mv or p=mv, or whatever nom de plume you wish for momentum. The ultrawave that creates a particle is traveling at the 9E+16 m/s velocity, so when two of them collide a lot happens very quickly. This is the entire basis for nuclear interactions and the reason we do not need E. It is a very reasonable expectation that an electron turns into a photon because it is knocked out of it ability to form a torus (which is the shape of spin-1/2 particles) and travels in a criss-crossing waveform at the material speed limit of c, since it is attached to a brane with that velocity. We cannot directly detect the Cc velocity in our 3D world; we only see the string/brane combinations that are 3D. So, matter has a limit of c, waves a limit of Cc, and all quantum behavior is easily explained by both the motion of the Cc traveling waves, and the c traveling (converted matter) particles.

If current theories didn't produce the correct numerical answer then they would not have been accepted, so that is why they are used. Unfortunately, Einstein misinterpreted the observed material limit of c and applied it to the observed energy that required something on the order of c^2 and made what seemed the logical step of restating the observations as E=mc^2. If he had any reason to believe that a velocity like Cc could exist he would have came to the same conclusion as I did. I have only dropped the idea that E does not exist at all in the last year; I tried like heck to make UT work with E and with Planck's constant for years and all it got me was the first reject from physical review in 2000 or 2001. All they could say was that no one was looking down any of the roads I was following, so why bother? (not in those words of course). By the time I amassed enough evidence that I was sure that I had not made a mistake, the volume of work was so great that it begged to become a book and that is where it stands now. BTW, you don't need references for a book, besides anything that I felt required additional info. had the name or link included.

Yes, I am suggesting that some nuclei are particles based on the fact that spin-1/2 particle magnetic moments mesh perfectly with spin-1/2 nuclei magnetic moments, i.e. chapter six, and support the reasoning that all other spin types are probably created similarly, meaning not with protons and neutrons as original particles.

Of course DM has mass, that is why it helps hold galaxies together. All I'm saying is that it is normal matter such as neutrinos and photons (converted electrons). I'm not trying to change any evidence in any aspect of the universe we observe, merely the explanations for those observations. If there are any true faults with my logic, I haven't found them. If you would read all of the book then comment, I would sure be more willing to listen. Right now you sound just as ignorant to me as you believe I must be. It's like looking at where I was a decade ago.

You are aware that this is a skeptics forum, not a physics forum? What do other physicists have to say about your book?

Incidentally, you might want to re-post your comment on one of the shorter threads that you are involved in if you want to involve more people.
 
You are aware that this is a skeptics forum, not a physics forum? What do other physicists have to say about your book?

Incidentally, you might want to re-post your comment on one of the shorter threads that you are involved in if you want to involve more people.

Precisely why I am here. If there is a chink in the armor I would like to find out before I get too involved in trying to promote this theory. The trouble is that I see no reason that a simple idea should work so perfectly to give a physical description of particles if it is wrong. Heck, if nothing else it is an easy way to look at particles without all the complex math now used.

And to clarify above. While some interaction instances may provide a momentum equal to m*Cc, for usual particle destruction it is L=1/2mvr, where v=Cc.
 
Precisely why I am here. If there is a chink in the armor I would like to find out before I get too involved in trying to promote this theory.

I've discovered a tiny chink in your theory. Not much but you may want to sort it out. Here you say...

"Yes, I am suggesting that some nuclei are particles based on the fact that spin-1/2 particle magnetic moments mesh perfectly with spin-1/2 nuclei magnetic moments"

This implies the entirety of nuclear physics is wrong.
 

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