Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

Dan O. said:
Abandon, do you still think your own action was rational? To me it looked like you were joining the mob to throw rocks at the accused. But then, that's just my personal observation.
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I already told you, you win.

Have a day of your choice.

ETA: Misspelling another users nick is considered rude and uncivil.
 
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The Boston Globe has an update on the "friendly fire" incident in Laurel Street (which I think phiwum mentioned earlier). The Globe article is behind a paywall but it is reproduced elsewhere:

Eyewitness accounts strongly suggest that MBTA Transit Police Officer Richard H. Donohue Jr. was shot and nearly killed by a fellow officer in Watertown April 19 during the hail of gunfire unleashed on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as the suspected terrorist made a getaway in a carjacked sport utility vehicle.

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It would later become apparent that the suspects were no longer armed when Dyson saw Donohue fall, suggesting that the shot that wounded him came from police. Two witnesses support Dyson’s account that Donohue appeared to be wounded in the final volley of shots fired at the fleeing younger suspect.

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The shooting of Donohue is the most serious of three possible accidental shootings during the hunt for the suspected bombers now being reviewed by the Middlesex district attorney’s office and the State Police as part of a broader criminal investigation.

In a second incident, another Transit Police officer was slightly wounded, while the third incident involved damage to a police vehicle.

Witnesses suggest friendly fire felled MBTA officer
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An earlier article in the Globe described the chaotic scene at the Laurel Street shootout:

Valor, devotion brought Watertown drama to end
 
Magenta said:
The Boston Globe has an update on the "friendly fire" incident in Laurel Street (which I think phiwum mentioned earlier). The Globe article is behind a paywall but it is reproduced elsewhere:




An earlier article in the Globe described the chaotic scene at the Laurel Street shootout:

Valor, devotion brought Watertown drama to end
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Can't they just match the bullet(s) that killed him to an the officers' guns?
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
Can't they just match the bullet(s) that killed him to an the officers' guns?
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The police officer who was seriously wounded is recovering OK. Doctors haven't removed the bullet from his leg, so can't confirm whose gun it came from.

ETA: More on Richard Donahue here:

Almost two weeks after MBTA Transit Police Officer Richard Donohue was injured during a shootout with the alleged Boston Marathon bombers, the recovering officer released a statement Wednesday thanking the police and first responders who saved his life and community members who have supported his family.

“I am now awake, moving around, talking, and telling jokes,” Donohue wrote in the statement, “much to my Wife’s dismay.”

Donohue had been shot in the groin early in the morning of April 19, as he chased Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev through the streets of Watertown. When he arrived at Mount Auburn Hospital, he had lost a significant amount of blood and barely had a pulse.

Donohue wrote that doctors will leave the bullet in his leg because it is not obstructing anything or causing pain.

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Magenta said:
The police officer who was seriously wounded is recovering OK. Doctors haven't removed the bullet from his leg, so can't confirm whose gun it came from.

ETA: More on Richard Donahue here:
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I see, makes sense. Couldn't an xray at least match the caliber though?

ETA: Assuming the brothers weren't firing weapons of the same caliber as the cops. And assuming they care about who shot him. Guess it doesn't really matter that much.
 
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Boiling Frog Post Video Report - Graham Fuller - A proponent of political Islam, an inspiration for the Iran-Contra & a key figure in Boston Terror

'Who Is Graham Fuller? '



Published on May 8, 2013

TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7341

As investigative reporter, Daniel Hopsicker, has demonstrated, the address for the Congress of Chechen International Organizations just happened to be the home address of Graham E. Fuller, formerly Vice Chairman of the Reagan-era CIA's National Intelligence Council. The relationship between Ruslan and this former top CIA official was not a loose one. Tsarni married Fuller's daughter in the mid-1990s and lived in Fuller's home for some time, basing his terror-supporting operation under Fuller's own roof.
 
Supposedly, Dzhokhar wrote a confession/manifesto on the wall of the boat with a marker before he was caught.

"Sources tell Miller that Tsarnaev wrote the note in the boat he was hiding in as police pursued him, and as he bled from gunshot wounds sustained in an earlier shootout between police and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. It reads as part manifesto, part suicide note and part justification for the killing and maiming of innocent civilians.

The note -- scrawled with a marker on the interior wall of the cabin -- said the bombings were retribution for U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, and called the Boston victims "collateral damage" in the same way Muslims have been in the American-led wars. "When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims," Tsarnaev wrote.

Tsarnaev said he didn't mourn older brother Tamerlan, the other suspect in the bombings, writing that by that point, Tamerlan was a martyr in paradise -- and that he expected to join him there soon."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...naev-left-note-in-boat-he-hid-in-sources-say/
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
Supposedly, Dzhokhar wrote a confession/manifesto on the wall of the boat with a marker before he was caught.

"Sources tell Miller that Tsarnaev wrote the note in the boat he was hiding in as police pursued him, and as he bled from gunshot wounds sustained in an earlier shootout between police and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. It reads as part manifesto, part suicide note and part justification for the killing and maiming of innocent civilians.

The note -- scrawled with a marker on the interior wall of the cabin -- said the bombings were retribution for U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, and called the Boston victims "collateral damage" in the same way Muslims have been in the American-led wars. "When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims," Tsarnaev wrote.

Tsarnaev said he didn't mourn older brother Tamerlan, the other suspect in the bombings, writing that by that point, Tamerlan was a martyr in paradise -- and that he expected to join him there soon."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...naev-left-note-in-boat-he-hid-in-sources-say/
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Maybe now their idiot parents will stop trying to paint them as precious innocent little angels but somehow I doubt it.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
Supposedly, Dzhokhar wrote a confession/manifesto on the wall of the boat with a marker before he was caught.

"Sources tell Miller that Tsarnaev wrote the note in the boat he was hiding in as police pursued him, and as he bled from gunshot wounds sustained in an earlier shootout between police and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. It reads as part manifesto, part suicide note and part justification for the killing and maiming of innocent civilians.

The note -- scrawled with a marker on the interior wall of the cabin -- said the bombings were retribution for U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, and called the Boston victims "collateral damage" in the same way Muslims have been in the American-led wars. "When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims," Tsarnaev wrote.

Tsarnaev said he didn't mourn older brother Tamerlan, the other suspect in the bombings, writing that by that point, Tamerlan was a martyr in paradise -- and that he expected to join him there soon."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...naev-left-note-in-boat-he-hid-in-sources-say/
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I just can't understand why he would kill and injure all those people.

Probably teen angst or something.
 
yodaluver28 said:
Maybe now their idiot parents will stop trying to paint them as precious innocent little angels but somehow I doubt it.
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No way. What they're going to say is that the government wrote the manifesto on the wall of the boat to support their frame-up. Any evidence pointing toward Dzhokhar's guilt will be interpreted as evidence of a conspiracy to frame him.
 
mikedenk said:
I just can't understand why he would kill and injure all those people.

Probably teen angst or something.
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No doubt. And the sweet younger brother probably regrets everything. His heart really wasn't in it; he was just manipulated by older bro.

Also, they're just random suspects, stop prejudging!
 
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"When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims,"

And they knew there would be no other Muslims there that day because...?
 
tyr_13 said:
"When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims,"

And they knew there would be no other Muslims there that day because...?
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Most terrorists will tell you that all Muslims are perpetually happy to be martyred at any time for a sacred cause, whether they realize it or not.
 
al Qaeda says it is okay to kill innocent people in the name of Jihad. Yes, they said any Muslims inadvertently killed will reap their reward in paradise. Non-believers are infidels, they're not innocent by definition, their very existence is an affront to God.

I'm sure the Tsarnaev boys were well aware of that.
 
newyorkguy said:
al Qaeda says it is okay to kill innocent people in the name of Jihad. Yes, they said any Muslims inadvertently killed will reap their reward in paradise. Non-believers are infidels, they're not innocent by definition, their very existence is an affront to God.

I'm sure the Tsarnaev boys were well aware of that.
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Ask the Jesuits what they think of al Qaeda's beliefs...
 
In all seriousness, I read a article once by an Arab journalist who had traveled with a small band of al Qaeda guerrilla fighters. Either in Iraq or Afghanistan. A cell of about five members, a couple Saudis, an Iraqi, an Egyptian, someone else.

The journalist said several of the fighters actually debated, when you go to Heaven you're received with seventy virgins, right? Everyone agreed. Okay, one of the guys asked, do you receive seventy virgins and that's it or are they replenished?

He said this discussion really engaged them. (Plus they talk like they're from another planet.) One would say, "Brother, as you use a virgin for your manly purposes she is, of course, no longer a virgin. Wouldn't Allah then replenish your supply? So you always have seventy virgins to choose from?" A couple of the guys agreed, several of the guys disagreed. "No my Brother, Allah supplies us with seventy virgins. That is our reward. If he replaced them that would mean we are receiving more than seventy virgins. But we are told, quite clearly, we are to receive seventy virgins, no more no less."

The Arab journalist wrote that, he came to see, that when you are with a group of people who all totally believe something, believe it without question, it becomes easy to believe it yourself.
 
newyorkguy said:
In all seriousness, I read a article once by an Arab journalist who had traveled with a small band of al Qaeda guerrilla fighters. Either in Iraq or Afghanistan. A cell of about five members, a couple Saudis, an Iraqi, an Egyptian, someone else.

The journalist said several of the fighters actually debated, when you go to Heaven you're received with seventy virgins, right? Everyone agreed. Okay, one of the guys asked, do you receive seventy virgins and that's it or are they replenished?

He said this discussion really engaged them. (Plus they talk like they're from another planet.) One would say, "Brother, as you use a virgin for your manly purposes she is, of course, no longer a virgin. Wouldn't Allah then replenish your supply? So you always have seventy virgins to choose from?" A couple of the guys agreed, several of the guys disagreed. "No my Brother, Allah supplies us with seventy virgins. That is our reward. If he replaced them that would mean we are receiving more than seventy virgins. But we are told, quite clearly, we are to receive seventy virgins, no more no less."

The Arab journalist wrote that, he came to see, that when you are with a group of people who all totally believe something, believe it without question, it becomes easy to believe it yourself.
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Ah, religion. :rolleyes: You can make of it whatever you want--it's all make-believe anyway.
 
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