Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

Checkmite said:
You're arguing for the Truther Method. I honestly can't believe you really see a difference between this blurry-photo-gazing and the blurry-photo-gazing that is the foundation of a significant percentage of 9/11 Truth claims - unless your decision is based solely on the fact that you're not "one of those people", so it's okay when you do it.
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The difference is that truthers come up with hypotheses and immediately declare them to be fact. What people are doing with these photos is coming up with hypotheses and putting them out there for subsequent rejection or verification in the light of analysis and evidence. I see nothing similar to 9/11 Truth claims. Nobody is stating anything as fact. They are just bouncing ideas off of each other. It's a form of brainstorming. And as has already been pointed out, nobody here (presumably) is calling the FBI to report on their theories. Most of us trust that if we figure something out here, the FBI won't be missing it on their own.
 
Checkmite said:
You're arguing for the Truther Method. I honestly can't believe you really see a difference between this blurry-photo-gazing and the blurry-photo-gazing that is the foundation of a significant percentage of 9/11 Truth claims - unless your decision is based solely on the fact that you're not "one of those people", so it's okay when you do it.
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We know these two individuals exist. We know they appear in images taken around the time of the explosions. I don't think it's unreasonable to think they might appear in other images which were also taken around the time of the explosions. There doesn't seem to be any doubt that the white-hatted individual in the photo taken after the explosion is one of the suspects. That doesn't prove that another individual who resembles the other suspect IS in fact the other suspect, but it doesn't seem outlandish to speculate that he might be.

I have no idea what "the Truther Method" is, or what they are attempting to prove by gazing at blurry photos. If you'll check my posting history, you'll see that I've never posted in a Truther thread. Perhaps you'[ll take my word for it when I say that the reason is that I never read them.

The two suspects have already been shown to appear together in more than one video. I am doing nothing more than trying to establish whether or not they appear together in a still image taken shortly after the blasts. For some reason, that seems to bother you, but I have no idea why.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
The difference is that truthers come up with hypotheses and immediately declare them to be fact. What people are doing with these photos is coming up with hypotheses and putting them out there for subsequent rejection or verification in the light of analysis and evidence. I see nothing similar to 9/11 Truth claims. Nobody is stating anything as fact. They are just bouncing ideas off of each other. It's a form of brainstorming. And as has already been pointed out, nobody here (presumably) is calling the FBI to report on their theories. Most of us trust that if we figure something out here, the FBI won't be missing it on their own.
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So, if nobody actually feels like they're doing anything to help the FBI here, it's all just... mental masturbation?

Why not just

a) send in photos/video if you have it like they asked, and

b) let them do their job?

Why all the pseudo-sleuthing?
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Or Bigfoot claims. Or ghost claims. Or alien spacecraft claims. Or... :rolleyes:
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No. Bigfoot people say "this is a picture of Bigfoot. This proves he's real." Or someone sees a UFO and says "I know now that aliens exist and visit our planet."

What is happening here is people are saying, "That looks like it might be suspect number 1." How is that even comparable? They aren't saying it IS suspect number one, or that what they see in the photos somehow should be the basis for a conclusion.

How can you even compare the two?
 
MattusMaximus said:
Yet you keep responding to them.
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from above link


On Thursday, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation released images of the two suspects in the blast, Mr. Green’s friends began to notice a figure in the bottom left corner of his picture that closely resembled one of the suspects.

One posted it in a running forum, from where it went viral, and sparked a debate over its veracity.

In an interview late Thursday, Mr. Green, who runs a sportswear company in Florida, confirmed that the picture was genuine, and that the F.B.I. had contacted him and requested a copy. “I have spoken to several agents,” Mr. Green said, “and they have got the photos, they are picking up material from me, and I don’t think there’s any doubt.”


Uncredited/FBI, via Associated Press
Agents had told him, he said, that his picture was the best they had, because it was taken from a better camera than the others that were posted.
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Doghouse Reilly said:
No. Bigfoot people say "this is a picture of Bigfoot. This proves he's real." Or someone sees a UFO and says "I know now that aliens exist and visit our planet."

What is happening here is people are saying, "That looks like it might be suspect number 1." How is that even comparable? They aren't saying it IS suspect number one, or that what they see in the photos somehow should be the basis for a conclusion.

How can you even compare the two?
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I think Checkmite did a pretty good job here.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Or Bigfoot claims. Or ghost claims. Or alien spacecraft claims. Or... :rolleyes:
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Again, examples of mythical things which probably don't exist. How odd, since you have already acknowledged that two bombs exploded, and presumably don't dispute that two bombers may be responsible, to imply that it borders on delusional to think they might be identified in photographs taken at the scene of the explosions.
 
s_pepys said:
from above link
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Yup. That's someone sending a photo to the FBI for them to analyze; which is not what is happening in so many posts on this thread, where people are doing their own "analysis". This is the basis of my criticism, as well as that of Checkmite's and others here: by all means, send in photos/video to the FBI, but let them do the analysis.

Are you going to respond to this "uninteresting" post, too? :popcorn1
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Yup. That's someone sending a photo to the FBI for them to analyze; which is not what is happening in so many posts on this thread, where people are doing their own "analysis". This is the basis of my criticism, as well as that of Checkmite's and others here.

Are you going to respond to this "uninteresting" post, too? :popcorn1
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happy go lucky chap you, arent you.

On Thursday, when the Federal Bureau of Investigation released images of the two suspects in the blast, Mr. Green’s friends began to notice a figure in the bottom left corner of his picture that closely resembled one of the suspects.

One posted it in a running forum, from where it went viral, and sparked a debate over its veracity.

In an interview late Thursday, Mr. Green, who runs a sportswear company in Florida, confirmed that the picture was genuine, and that the F.B.I. had contacted him and requested a copy. “I have spoken to several agents,” Mr. Green said, “and they have got the photos, they are picking up material from me, and I don’t think there’s any doubt.”


Uncredited/FBI, via Associated Press
Agents had told him, he said, that his picture was the best they had, because it was taken from a better camera than the others that were posted.
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MattusMaximus said:
don't try to analyze it for them.
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You act like people in this thread are trying to defuse bombs or physically apprehend suspects. This is a discussion forum. People are discussing. I don't think the FBI is all that worried about it.
 
William Parcher said:
Another here might be even better.

And we now see the guy trailing behind is not the other suspect. Looks like he is part of a family and he is wearing a red jacket.
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That photo's much clearer. I don't think his hat matches Suspect #1, so I agree it's not him.

However, look to the left, at the guy with the red-brimmed cap who's apparently taking pictures. If he was taking video, or even snapping stills at the right moment, he might have captured a clearer picture of Suspect #2 as he walked by a few moments before.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Yup. That's someone sending a photo to the FBI for them to analyze; which is not what is happening in so many posts on this thread, where people are doing their own "analysis". This is the basis of my criticism, as well as that of Checkmite's and others here: by all means, send in photos/video to the FBI, but let them do the analysis.

Are you going to respond to this "uninteresting" post, too? :popcorn1
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The most dangerous people in the world are amateurs who think they are professionals.
 
Unrelated to the bombing but since it was mentioned earlier in the thread, the officer in the shooting on the MIT campus may have died (linked story is somewhat contradictory).

A Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer was killed Thursday night on campus near Building 32, according to authorities.

Shots were registered at 10:48 p.m. ET, and the situation remained "active and extremely dangerous," according to MIT's emergency website.

NBC affiliate WHDH said a search for the gunman was underway. The MIT police officer was being treated at an area hospital, Cambridge, Mass., police told WHDH.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/18/17817173-campus-police-officer-killed-in-active-shooting-at-mit?lite
 
s_pepys said:
happy go lucky chap you, arent you.
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Yup :D

I noticed that the FBI asked for the guy's photo; which is kind of different from asking people on the Internet to analyze the photo for them, isn't it?

Or maybe to you those two are the same thing.
 
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