Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

aleph said:
Yes, that damn FBI people releasing "fuzzy pictures" are the real culprits here, silly me for relying in critical thinking.
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No, silly me for pointing out the lack of due diligence on the part of the FBI. They had the image and missed it. I get that they were under pressure but given that they knew to look for "White hat" and "Black hat" well before they had their press conference and that "White hat" actually stood out very clearly in that image I thought that it was worth pointing out. Fuzzy images make for fuzzy ID's.

Some friends of suspect #2 thought that it might have been him but didn't want to finger him (and the problems that it would cause their friend) because they weren't sure that it was him. Because it was fuzzy. They called in once they saw the clear image.

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Matthew Best said:
Why on earth does he need help with his medical expenses?
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Because health care in the US is, sadly, a mostly for-profit endeavor and if he doesn't have insurance or his insurance has a lifetime maximum payout, he could be hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in debt within weeks.

I hope that the hospitals donate or the government steps in and pays for the victims' care.
 
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Sam.I.Am said:
I'll "Man up" and apologize for putting that up there here. I too hope that they find the kid and that he can be helped. However a man described as "Depressed" missing under strange circumstances in the state next to the one where the attacks happened, who has some resemblance to what the FBI had put out at the time, who has at least one picture out there with him wearing a Che T-shirt is not an unreasonable person to suspect when there are no persons identified yet in a terrorist attack.
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Maybe it's different in the U.S. but in the U.K. at least Che has long since progressed from being an actual totem of revolution to a bearded bloke on a t-shirt, poster or badge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_in_popular_culture

Examples from that article where it appears, to me at least, that the image is being used because it is on trend and not because of the specific revolutionary message:

- Converse uses the image of Che Guevara in one of their shoe ad campaigns.
- In an advertisement for Jean Paul Gaultier sunglasses circulated in Europe in 1999, Che is painted as a Frida Kahlo-type landscape, in front of a blazing desert sun.
- San Diego, California features Che Cafe on the UCSD campus
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Sam.I.Am said:
I'll "Man up" and apologize for putting that up there here. I too hope that they find the kid and that he can be helped. However a man described as "Depressed" missing under strange circumstances in the state next to the one where the attacks happened, who has some resemblance to what the FBI had put out at the time, who has at least one picture out there with him wearing a Che T-shirt is not an unreasonable person to suspect when there are no persons identified yet in a terrorist attack.

The truther comparison is idiotic. Comparing known living people with known living ones is not even close to being in the same category as comparing someone whose whereabouts are unknown with someone whose identity is unknown.

It turns out that the FBI had the much clearer shot of suspect #2 rounding the corner in their possession all along. The photographer sent it to them on Monday or Tuesday and called them back on Thursday saying that they had missed it. He had gone back and looked at the picture after the Thursday press conference where they released their images and spotted him right away. If they had released that picture instead of the fuzzy ones that they did the whole mix up probably would have been avoided in the first place as the profile shot clearly excluded Sunil as a suspect.
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I've mostly resisted posting in this forum for a couple of years now but I had to come out if semi retirement to address this. Can you not see what you did? I used to enjoy the debate in the CT sub forum. Over there I saw many posters incensed at the insensitivity of Truthers who posted serious and hurtful accusations about people who were dead or missing in full view of their grieving relatives. Those accusations were based on nothing but their own sniff-tests and the result of their inability to think critically about their own opinions before posting. It was truly disgusting, as was your set of posts.

Regarding the behaviour if the FBI. They caught both suspects. You have no idea how at this stage. They may already have had their names when they released the photos. Bear in mind what was advertised as a manhunt was also an evidence hunt. The FBI need to keep back evidence for the trial and only release the bare minimum. You're assuming way too much, and drawing conclusions too earliy. Classic CT.
 
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I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but YahooNews reported that the location of the boat where he was found and arrested was actually OUTSIDE of the 20 block perimeter. Interesting.

I wonder what the extent of his injuries is, and whether or not he is fairly certain to survive his wounds. Are there victims of the bomb being treated in the same hospital where he is being treated? What a strange feeling that would be, to be a victim and know that the person who injured you so grievously is being treated and cared for in the same building.
 
MattusMaximus said:
As I was driving home today, I heard on the local radio station the "news" about the Boston PD cornering someone in a boat and that it might be the bomber they were looking for... Then the newsperson said, "Now we don't have any confirmation it's the bomber, but we think it might be."

No confirmation, but they'll speculate wildly anyway.

Bastards :mad: I changed the station and cursed the sloppy state our media is in these days. They suck.
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Police cornering a guy hiding in a shrink-wrapped boat in the town where a massive man-hunt is taking place and the media saying it "might" be the bomber got you that upset?
 
Orphia Nay said:
Youtube channel of Tamerlan Tsarnaev:

http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah/videos?view=0

Had 2 vids in a folder called "Terrorists" (account for those now closed), and 7 vids in a folder called "Islam".
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Did you see the raving Aussie sheik and former boxer in his likes? He was the same one who rightly caused a big stink a few years back by blaming rape on women.

Here he is with rant on the stereotypical Poe subject of Harry Potter.
 
Belz... said:
Ok, er...

This thread is now moving far too fast for me to follow. 11 pages since 2pm yesterday !

What did I miss ?
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The man was apprehended by the authorities.

ETA: You bring up a good point. I wish there was a way to bookmark (not in favorites on computer) your last post or where you finished reading. That would be a nice feature to have in threads like this.
 
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SezMe said:
What the hell does that mean?
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Without putting word into MB's mouth, possibly an expression of displeasure that this poor guy may have to fund much of his healthcare from his (and others) pockets.

However, the current state of health provision in USA does baffle me - the new bill widens coverage but for this guy...?

Read some comments that hope the gummint steps in to pay for it all. Well hell, that would be a start I suppose. I am sure the residents of Boston will dig deep and many fundraisers will be had for the victims of this bombing. How things have turned 180 degrees from previous bombing fundraising of the 70s and 80s. But I digress, and older Bostonites can let me know if this is way out of line just media propaganda I swallowed growing up in the UK.
 
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SezMe said:
What the hell does that mean?
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It's commonly an expression of anger or annoyance sometimes coupled with regret at the state of the world.

In this context it would appear the poster intends to convey his disgust that a victim of an atrocious attack should have to worry about medical expenses when what is most important is his recovery.

As a somewhat archaic term, it can also be used for comic effect.
 
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L.Y.S. said:
ETA: You bring up a good point. I wish there was a way to bookmark (not in favorites on computer) your last post or where you finished reading. That would be a nice feature to have in threads like this.
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That's one question I can answer.

If there are new posts in a thread since your last visit, there will be a small icon to the left of the thread title in the forum list like this:
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If you click that, it will take you to the first new post since your last visit.


Or, if you go to any page of the thread, at the top left of the page you can click on "View First Unread" and it will take you where you left off.

ETA: The forum software only remembers your last reading for about 7-10 days. If you've been away longer than that, those links will only take you to the first post 7-10 days ago.
 
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Orphia Nay said:
That's one question I can answer.

If there are new posts in a thread since your last visit, there will be a small icon to the left of the thread title in the forum list like this: [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/firstnew.gif[/qimg]

If you click that, it will take you to the first new post since your last visit.


Or, if you go to any page of the thread, at the top left of the page you can click on "View First Unread" and it will take you where you left off.
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Thank you so much.
 
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