explain why wave-particle duality is nonsense?

I find it humorous that Bishadi claims here that wave-particle duality is "nonsense", seeing as how I have my physics students confirm the wave-particle duality of light by conducting actual experiments, such as the double slit & photoelectric effect experiments. We do this every year, and, curiously, the results seem to confirm wave-particle duality with great consistency every time :)
 
I find it humorous that Bishadi claims here that wave-particle duality is "nonsense", seeing as how I have my physics students confirm the wave-particle duality of light by conducting actual experiments, such as the double slit & photoelectric effect experiments. We do this every year, and, curiously, the results seem to confirm wave-particle duality with great consistency every time :)

How can you be sure what Bishadi claims?

I've had some education in quantum physics and chemistry, and I can't even understand WTF he's talking about.
 
They probably means the Afshar experiment. Photons pass through 2 slits, interfere and then are focused by a lens to hit one of two detectors. Photons passing through only 1 slit are focused to hit only 1 detector, so Afshar interpreted it as if he were measuring which slit the photon passed through.

The photons were determined to be interfering because they passed by a grid of wires. Single slit photons were reduced in intensity, 2-slit photons destructively interfered at the wires and did not get reduced in intensity (at least not as much).

This violates the fuzzy "which path information vs interference information" explanation, but it's entirely consistent with proper QM.
 
They probably means the Afshar experiment. Photons pass through 2 slits, interfere and then are focused by a lens to hit one of two detectors. Photons passing through only 1 slit are focused to hit only 1 detector, so Afshar interpreted it as if he were measuring which slit the photon passed through.

The photons were determined to be interfering because they passed by a grid of wires. Single slit photons were reduced in intensity, 2-slit photons destructively interfered at the wires and did not get reduced in intensity (at least not as much).

This violates the fuzzy "which path information vs interference information" explanation, but it's entirely consistent with proper QM.

Do you have a link or more info on that?
 
What I usually tell people is that there probably isn't any real duality. Photons always behave in one way: Like photons.

This behavior can only be measured in two ways: as either a particle or a wave, depending on the nature of the experiment.

The "duality" is really just a consequence of our limited ways in which we can examine these things.
 
The wikipedia page has a pretty good summary of the experiment, it's interpretations, and criticisms. Be sure to look at the duality relationship if you want some actual math.

Note that the distinguishability D is defined by the probability of the photon going through either slit. Even if you accept that you can see which slit a photon went through, that doesn't change the value of D.

Personally, I just think of the photon as wave that went through both slits, because waves can do that.
 
I always explain it to kids this way.

A biologist and a butcher see an elephant:

A big mammal says the first.

A big amount of meat says the second.

Who is right? :D
 
What I usually tell people is that there probably isn't any real duality. Photons always behave in one way: Like photons.

This behavior can only be measured in two ways: as either a particle or a wave, depending on the nature of the experiment.

The "duality" is really just a consequence of our limited ways in which we can examine these things.

so let's open it up


i am not going to do the talking as i will let people who listen do it.



Although Young’s double-slit interference experiment has played a pivotal role in the development
of optics and quantum physics, the analyses so far have been performed almost exclusively
in scalar description
. Yet electromagnetic interference and coherence phenomena differ
in many fundamental and unexpected ways from the familiar scalar counterparts……
…… although the coherence studies of electromagnetic fields often deal with paraxial fields or wide-angle far fields, the emergence of nano photonics has given an impetus to comprehensive investigation of general three-dimensional, nonparaxial electromagnetic fields. In particular, it has recently been demonstrated that optical near fields may exhibit remarkable coherence phenomena, which are especially pronounced when resonant surface waves, e.g., surface plasmons or phonons, are excited


5. Conclusions
We have analyzed the coherence properties of nonuniformly polarized electromagnetic fields. We showed that the customary definition for the degree of coherence for the electromagnetic fields does not predict the coherence properties accurately and may, in fact, lead to severe misinterpretations of spatial coherence. This phenomenon arises from the fact that a quantity derived straightforwardly from the degree of coherence for scalar fields is connected to the visibility of the interference fringes similarly to the scalar case. In the electromagnetic case the visibility is affected, not only by the coherence properties of the field, but by the polarization properties of the field as well. Therefore the correlations between the electric-field components can not be neglected in the analysis of nonuniformly polarized partially coherent fields.

In our new definition for the degree of coherence, all the elements of the electric coherence matrix describing the correlations between the Cartesian components of the field are taken into account. Hence the degree of coherence remains invariant if the field is, for example, rotated
by using a suitable anisotropic element. On the other hand, our quantity remains invariant in the rotation of the coordinate axes, as well as in various transformations between the coordinate systems which should be particularly useful when examining the far-field coherence of electromagnetic sources.
In this article we have considered the correlations of the electric field only. However, one may equivalently define a quantity describing the correlations of the magnetic field. On the other hand, Eq. (6) may readily be extended to take into account also the correlations that exist
between the electric and magnetic field components.



Degree of coherence for electromagnetic fields

Jani Tervo
Department of Physics, University of Joensuu, P.O. Box 111, FIN-80101 Joensuu, Finland
[email protected]
Tero Set¨al¨a
Department of Engineering Physics and Mathematics, Helsinki University of Technology, P.O.
Box 2200, FIN-02015 HUT, Finland
Ari T. Friberg
Department of Microelectronics and Information Technology, Royal Institute of Technology,
SE-164 40 Kista, Sweden

who can tell them there are no fields to light (em)?

can anyone tell them, that the electromagnetic properties of em are a sham? Ie…I don’t think English is their first language as to read the pub you will find math is where they apparently prefer to show their evidence.

who can tell them the double slit is perfect and no fields exist?

who will be the one on this forum who will tell them what idiots they are?

http://www.arpast.org/research/articles/article87.pdf

be careful that pub has the work of contributors in it; by choice they maintain their integrity over beliefs and adherence to further knowledge.
 
Then publish your proof, you'll be famous as the person who disproves quantuum mechanics (despite the fact that we all use devices that make use of it, every day...) :rolleyes:



have you watched how i deal with some folks?

could you imagine a guy like me with bill gates kind of power (money)?

do you think i would allow insults to go unchecked?




i know my weaknesses, it is best i stay under a rock!
 
have you watched how i deal with some folks?

could you imagine a guy like me with bill gates kind of power (money)?

do you think i would allow insults to go unchecked?




i know my weaknesses, it is best i stay under a rock!
Clearly you don't know your weaknesses. Your primary one is posting on here whilst not having a clue about physics, chemistry, biology or scientific philosophy. I believe that covers the fields that you have ranted about with your inane and wearisome threads.
 
have you watched how i deal with some folks?

could you imagine a guy like me with bill gates kind of power (money)?

do you think i would allow insults to go unchecked?




i know my weaknesses, it is best i stay under a rock!

I predict a ban soon.
 
have you watched how i deal with some folks?

could you imagine a guy like me with bill gates kind of power (money)?

do you think i would allow insults to go unchecked?




i know my weaknesses, it is best i stay under a rock!

Watching you 'deal' with folks is very funny.You know nothing about physics.Keep entertaining us.
 
Watching you 'deal' with folks is very funny.You know nothing about physics.Keep entertaining us.


i watch people like you troll the threads (most everything i post) and incapable of addressing much of anything of science.

you are entertaining yourself by indulging in your own beliefs.



you actually believe you have a right to insult people (plane selfishness) while i am learning to reason the 'why' anyone would be so delusional to their own ideology with no care of others or what can occur because of it

you maintain no personal responsibility and in this arena, it is an accepted attribute of posters

scientifically, i perform while by insults you perform what you comprehend
 

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