Explain how homeopathy is better for:

Badly Shaved Monkey said:
..Mind you, with Corallinus' track record of actual lies, it may be that the anecdote is complete fiction.
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WHAT!!! There are people who LIE on the Internet?!?!

Actually I was watching a History Channel bit on King Arthur (http://www.historychannel.com/kingarthur/ ). Where it was noted that one of the fellows who wrote about the great king took bit from various stories and then just filled in blanks with stuff he made up. It reminded me was several web pages and newsgroup postings I have encountered.

Anyway... if NH can actually CURE streptococcol infections then she should apply for the award and prove it.
 
Corallinus wrote:

Homeopathy can also cure scarlet fever too. Belladonna amongs others is also a good remedy for this.

Then why were worldwide scarlet fever epidemics commonplace during the approx. 150 year time period between when Hahnemann first recommended homeopathic belladonna as a cure for scarlet fever, and the widespread use of antibiotics to treat the disease in the mid-nineteenth century?
 
Badly Shaved Monkey said:
See this thread for a claim to have cured haemophilia go unchallenged and thereby be implicitly accepted to be true.

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1439&PN=3
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Holy crap! The guy died! Did you read the second page of that thread?

"It i svery late hour, but I am postng and need urgent help. i am kjust
received phonecalling form mother of hemophiliac patiet. She is
screaming angry of me. He is rushed in hosptiatl this night with
massive hemorrhage. Only other day she syas he was so well. I canot
believe treeatment has not worked. What can I do? this is disaster
but now i must wait he is in allopathic hospital and i am not having
access.. his mother says i will be thrown out if i trying to visit him
for more treatment. He might need one more dose, but how to see
him is now problem. this type thing has never happend to me. I am
feeling terribl responsibility, but he was cured so it is not my fault,
but still i feel it is. Feeling guilt is not help to patient and is not right
i do feel guilt because he was cured. What has gone wrong. Please
my friends to give advise urgent uregnt"

Then the next post:
"Please to ignore last posting. i am not needing replies for it. I have
second phonecalling now. I am to see his family later this day and
will explain out how he was treated. is not easy for patient to die
when therapist has hoped for cured, but is too much to be perfect in
all cases and all doctors see some patient die even though we help
and we must not feel guilt. we must be strong to give right help to
new patients

I must am having to think on this for few days so to understand and
learn. one dose is still right cure to aim for. of this i am most sure.
Perhaps I was not strong enough in mind for strength of intention to
make final cure."

He killed him by taking him off his haeomphilia drug.

(Pssst...I think we can be fairly sure that the late-lamented 'haemophiliac' was a rhetorical ruse, but note that the denizens of Hpathy are so arrogant that they accept the cure of haemophilia at face value. Also note that no one steps in to direct the 'therapist' to get their patient to seek proper help.
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Are you saying this was all a put-on? That there was no patient at all? Otherwise, this quack just killed his patient.
 
Psi Baba said:

Are you saying this was all a put-on? That there was no patient at all? Otherwise, this quack just killed his patient.
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I have been given assurances that no animals or children were harmed in the making of that thread, but the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Woos was not appropriately consulted.
 
Yes, I noticed... (rats... I forgot to put in the sarcasm smilie.. which one is it?... this one? ;) )

I find it incredible that she thinks that a 4 year old is "cured" of croup... when it is one of those "self-limited" conditions (unless a child has it severely like mine did... whose difficulty in breathing caused is blood OXYGEN satuation level to drop lots... sorry I keep forgetting the important noun in that phrase). Kids just grow out of it... though I noticed as an adult when a virus affects my throat I get laryngitis.

And then to think her "patient" who threw away the prescription for antibiotics would actually go BACK to the real doctor and get swabbed for strep is beyond incredulous.

She is still avoiding the hypertrophic cardiomyopathy question. I am kind of curious how a homeopath would even diagnose something like that without even listening for a heart murmer or even taking a blood pressure reading (much less the EKG's and Echocardiogram).

In the future if I see my local paper give a puff piece about Bastyr U. and mentions homeopathy ... I shall write and complain. Though I do vaguely remember an announcement that Bastyr did do a study of homeopathy and found that it did not work... but that report seems to be buried somewhere.
(by the way, Bastyr U. does have a really nice cafeteria, it is just that it is very hard to find parking there! I went there once... they are next to a very nice state park)
 
The one true Homeopathic victory

I believe I have completed the first true homeopathic double-blind victory.

My study involved testing the claimed "like cures like" effects of homeopathy.

The ailment: Acute Dehydration.

The symptom: Thirst.

The cure: 2000C dilution of crystallized NaCl (which has a prominent thirst-inducing quality)

This 2000C dilution of NaCl in pure water cured Acute Dehydration in all members of the test group.

Interestingly, the control group (who took only a placebo: plain water) also sustained 100% recovery. I believe this may be due to one of the following:
* Allopathic sabotage of my study
* Latent NaCl deposits within the control groups' own bodies mixing with the pure water to produce the homeopathic remedy
* Shemp
* Planet X

Unfortunately, I have yet to devise a homeopathic remedy for the resulting epidemic of chronic urination that suddenly onset after the diluted NaCl test. No matter what urination catalyst (again: like cures like) I diluted, and no matter what the dilution level, the remedy seemed only to extend or even compound the problem.

I continue my testing diligently.
 
Note the way Naturalhealth comes back to the thread after a lot of very incisive questions have been asked and a lot of serious problems with her anecdote pointed out.

She just ignores every word of it and repeats the original anecdote. Not much improvement over Xanta just repeating "it works!" every fifth post.

Couldn't get into med school, Naturalhealth? So deficient in basic education that you can't tell where real physiology ends and pure fantasy begins? (Maybe that's why so many of your posts are bare-faced lies?) Still not given any thought to the ethics of encouraging people not to take their prescribed medicine, and claiming to be able to "cure" conditions which may kill the patient if real medicine isn't consulted?

Rolfe.
 
TO JUST LEARN/LISTEN THE SPECIALISTS IN ANY SUBJECT, TO READ THE BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT/S & THEN DISCUSS & COMMENT WAS YOUR ADVICE & I ACCEPTED. BTW, IS IT NOT APPLICABLE ON YOU? A SPECIALIST OF ONE SUJECT DON'T CONTADICT THE SPECIALIST OF OTHER SUBJECT. IT IS JUST AN ETHIC, YOUR WORDS OR A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING. SO JUST LISTEN/LEARN OR READ BUT DON'T CONTADICT OR DISRESPECT/DISMEAN ANY SPECIALIST IN ANY OTHER SUBJECT. IS IT NOT JUSTIFIED AS PER YOUR WORDS?:o
 
Kumar said:
SO JUST LISTEN/LEARN OR READ BUT DON'T CONTADICT OR DISRESPECT/DISMEAN ANY SPECIALIST IN ANY OTHER SUBJECT. IS IT NOT JUSTIFIED AS PER YOUR WORDS?
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Well, Mr CapsLock, the big problem is that time and again we have shown the 'specialists' in homeopathy to be liars and fools. They lose any right to have their opinions respected.
 
Badly Shaved Monkey said:


Well, Mr CapsLock, the big problem is that time and again we have shown the 'specialists' in homeopathy to be liars and fools. They lose any right to have their opinions respected.
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DON'T MEAN THAT, ALL KNOWS & ARE SPECIALISTS IN ALL LANGUAGES. THEIR LATIN MAY BE DIFFERANT THAN YOUR ENGILISH.
I OR HOMEOPATHS OR OTHER SUBJECT'S SPECIALISTS CAN'T OR ARE NOT CAPABLE OF SAYING THAT "time and again we have shown/seen the 'specialists' in modren systems to be liars and fools. They lose any right to have their opinions respected." ALIKE YOU CAN NOT OR ARE NOT CAPABLE OF SAYING YOUR ABOVE SKEPTIC WORDS. YOU HAVE NOT LIKED MINE OR OTHER'S NON SPECIALIZED WORDS IN YOUR SUBJET, ACCORDINGLY TRUE ABOUT YOURS. JUST TO BE LOGICAL & JUSTIFIED. :o
 
Actually Rolfe, I did get into med school and graduated too and am very proud of this fact.

I am also a trained homeopathic practitioner too and am proud of that fact too.

What is the point of me giving misinformation about the cases I have of successful cures with homeopathy? None at all that I can see.

Also, if you call me a liar, then you are calling all of my homeopathic colleagues liars too? Is this right, because we all have lots of well documented cases of cures with homeopathy.

Lets get one thing straight too. I never tell patients to stop their medication at all. I give the indicated remedy and as their condition improves, they will naturally find that their need for this medication reduces and can be stopped.

If you are acusing myself and all my homeopathic colleagues of being liars then this is very serious and I would be very careful as we could take you all to court on a libel charge.
 
Homeoskeptic said:
Actually Rolfe, I did get into med school and graduated too and am very proud of this fact.

I am also a trained homeopathic practitioner too and am proud of that fact too.

What is the point of me giving misinformation about the cases I have of successful cures with homeopathy? None at all that I can see.

Well, it might be to make your point. Misinformation is not just plain lies, it is also leaving out things ;).

Also, if you call me a liar, then you are calling all of my homeopathic colleagues liars too? Is this right, because we all have lots of well documented cases of cures with homeopathy.

Then why do we never see them? We see a lot of account to the tune of, patient got this or that, patient recovered. That is not documentation that the homeopathy worked. And, I strongly suspect that you and your colleagues have a number of cases where it did not work, which you "forget" to talk about. Otherwise most homeopaths have surprisingly few patients.

Lets get one thing straight too. I never tell patients to stop their medication at all.

Well, that is good, at least. But do you tell them to continue their medication?

I give the indicated remedy and as their condition improves, they will naturally find that their need for this medication reduces and can be stopped.

And how do you conclude that homeoapthy cured them?

If you are acusing myself and all my homeopathic colleagues of being liars then this is very serious and I would be very careful as we could take you all to court on a libel charge.

Don't be silly. Implied libel based on calling an anonymous internet poster a liar? What court do you think would accept such a case :rolleyes:.
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Hans

Edited to correct typos and add a point.
 
Homeoskeptic said:
If you are acusing myself and all my homeopathic colleagues of being liars then this is very serious and I would be very careful as we could take you all to court on a libel charge.
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Homeopaths are fraud-peddling idiots. Many are liars, others just parrot the lies of others. You are certainly a liar.

Go ahead and sue me. When the judge decides in my favour, I'll gather up your tears in a vial and use them to produce a frivolous-lawsuititis remedy.

Oh, and I don't believe you graduated from anything other than play-school, you big lying nancy.
 
Tell me then, why do homeopaths achieve long lasting cures of their patients then and why do they have so many?

Perhaps rather than keep saying it does not work, you should concentrate your efforts on finding out exactly how it does work!! Theres a thought.

Just for your information, I graduated from medical school and did a three year postgraduate course so that I could practice homeopathy. I have also undertaken further postgraduate courses the longer I have been in practice. I am currently studying with an Italian homeopathic doctor out in Italy on a three postgraduate course there.

Perhaps you should try homeopathy sometime, you might be surprised to find that it works for you.
 
Why does homeopathy achieve long lasting cures? Maybe the human body has an amazing way of healing itself.

Why do so many people use it? Gullibility.

And you haven't actually answered the original question. How exactly is homeopathy better for the conditions listed.
 
HS

Be sure to give our regards to Corallinus.

Perhaps one of you could read the following and pass the message to the other;

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37396

"9. Sock Puppets
A sock puppet is defined as a second or more JREF forum account from the same person, used to post as if it was a second person. Sock puppets are not allowed. As this rule impacts several folks, I am willing to grandfather the rule somewhat. The basic rules regarding SPs are:


SPs are only rarely allowed

SPs can only be used if it is VERY CLEAR to the reader that the account is, in fact, a sock puppet

SPs may not be used to post "support" for the owner's first user name

SPs can only be allowed if personally approved by the Forum Administrator, and only in exceptional cases, as determined by the Administrator

All existing sock puppet owners have until 19 February to PM Hal Bidlack stating why they think they should be allowed to have a SP. After that date, sock puppets will be removed.

As always, any decision by the Administrator may be kicked up to Linda for review
"

As far as I can tell, JREF will not ban you for being an idiot, but it will ban you for backing up your own idiocy by argumentum ad populi sockpuppeti.

(Edited to add the SP rules)
 
NH

Perhaps you could also explain why your fellow homeopath Barb recommends taking the antibiotics, much though it seems to gall her to admit it;

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1681

BadShavedMonkey at Hpathy is not me, by the way, but is presumably the same merry japester who has used the JREF names of a number of people to post trolling posts at Hpathy.

(If the link is broken it will mean that their Thought police have deleted it, but I've saved a copy that I can post here if necessary)
 
Homeoskeptic said:

Just for your information, I graduated from medical school and did a three year postgraduate course so that I could practice homeopathy. I have also undertaken further postgraduate courses the longer I have been in practice.
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Before you get too excited about being accused of lying, perhaps you can explain this lie;

"Ok. Just one thing though. I have no scientific training whatsoever and do not claim to be a scientist. My degree was in languages that included Italian.

On one of my trips to Italy a few years ago now, I was looking around a bookshop and found this beautiful Italian anatomy book. I purchased it, more at the time for the artwork rather than the anatomy, however, I was looking at this recently and it seems to suggest that the sutures of the skull do not totally fuse during life and there is in fact still some room for manoevre.

It says that this is the difference between living anatomy and cadaveric anatomy."

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870383498&highlight=italian#post1870383498

You are a liar.
 
Kumar said:


DON'T MEAN THAT, ALL KNOWS & ARE SPECIALISTS IN ALL LANGUAGES. THEIR LATIN MAY BE DIFFERANT THAN YOUR ENGILISH.
I OR HOMEOPATHS OR OTHER SUBJECT'S SPECIALISTS CAN'T OR ARE NOT CAPABLE OF SAYING THAT "time and again we have shown/seen the 'specialists' in modren systems to be liars and fools. They lose any right to have their opinions respected." ALIKE YOU CAN NOT OR ARE NOT CAPABLE OF SAYING YOUR ABOVE SKEPTIC WORDS. YOU HAVE NOT LIKED MINE OR OTHER'S NON SPECIALIZED WORDS IN YOUR SUBJET, ACCORDINGLY TRUE ABOUT YOURS. JUST TO BE LOGICAL & JUSTIFIED. :o
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Kumar

One of your problems is that you want to defer to people who claim to be experts in arcane medical practices. Quite why this deference does not extend to people who do know about science is not clear, perhaps it is because we don't have such neatly packaged stories to give you, whereas the quacks present you with these nice simple systems to believe in and we just give you the complex muddle that is reality.

Anyway...respect is earned on the basis of well-presented argument. Respect is denied those who stick to mad beliefs in contradiction of the evidence.

A strong feature of all quackery is its dependence on a central authority figure playing the big father to protect and guide his acolytes. For homeopathy, that is Hahnemann; for tissue salts, that is Schuessler. MRC_Hans has previously pointed out the cultish nature of these beliefs and it is an accurate observation. Moonie, Scientology, or Homeopathy, the pattern is the same.
 
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