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Explain how homeopathy is better for:

Chris Haynes

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I would like those who champion the cause of homeopathy (including Kumar) to succinctly explain how and why a homeopathy would be better than a real doctor to the following conditions (most of which that I have very close experience with either myself or various family members, even though I may spell them wrong):

1) neonatal spasms, also known as infantile seizures

2) severe croup

3) strep throat

4) oral motor dyspraxia with some functional dysarthria

5) developmental dysphasia

6) pink eye or stye

7) contact dermatitis with eczema

8) allergic rhinitis (hayfever, achoo!!)

9) chicken pox

8) hypertrophic cardiomyopathy

9) breast infections

10) bladder infections (male and female)

11) mumps (I mostly remember not being able to swallow)

12) Bi-polar delusions

13) depression

14) migraine headaches

15) severe head trauma (10+ foot fall on concrete)

16) sprained ankles and wrist (at different times)

17) broken bones

18) bacterial pneumonia

19) bronchitis

There are probably more... but I cannot think of them right now -- some of these are from years ago, and some more recent.

For the conditions that are self limiting (like the broken bones and viral infections) I want to know how homeopathy drastically cuts down the healing time... "So if you take this remedy your cold will go away in 14 days, otherwise it will take two weeks".

Others are welcome to add more conditions to this list (like Addison's).

Come on, Naturalhealth... you can do it!!

Thank you.
 
[Naturalhealth mode]
No, not at all. O, you people are so negative, why don't you get a life? O, homeopathy can help with all these conditions. O, why don't you try it and then you'd know. O, once the right remedy is identified any disease will be cured. Or the dose of allopathic medication can be reduced. O I forgot, homeopathy doesn't work if you're taking allopathic medication.

O, homeopathy can cure all those things. O, find a good homeopath and you'll see IT WORKS.
[/Naturalhealth mode]

Rolfe.
 
HC,

Why/how you and your various family members are suffering with so many (but still not limited) problems? Is it due to some Hydrogen cyanide or some water(fluoride, magnisium, hard water etc.) problem or some environmental cause in your area. Just tell all about this first.

I can understand that you are bit anxious.
 
These are conditions that have affected about 15 people over a period of 40 years... This is not too terribly unusual.

And it is not due to what my user name is... that comes from the initials in my name. Something I discovered in high school science and thought was kind of cool. The part of the name that you seem to miss in listing my initials is closely related to Nevil Shute's actual surname (he wrote _On the Beach_, _A Town Called Alice_ and _Sliderule_)

Now just answer the question... no other details will be given.

editted to add name hint
 
HC, sorry, HC was just to reduce some seriousness. Anyhow I you felt, I shall take care. I just forget to mention ;).

Any how the straight reply to your question as per my thinking/studies is that: it can't be explained whether homeopathy is better or not than the current science? I just know that this system is said to just helps in better assimilation of of any or many accumulated body substance/s-- causing physiological disorder/s not just adding or removing those substances, provided those physiological disorders are curable.
 
Okay, one data point down:

Kumar cannot answer the question on how highly diluted "remedies" are better than real medicine.

NaturalHealth? Your input? Surely you have a better answer.

You don't have to answer for EVERY condition... just pick and choose one that you THINK might be better served by a homeopath. Go ahead... give it a try.
 
Does Homeopathy "cure" generic disorders or does it merely "cure" the symptoms ?

For example if one has haemophilia and takes a homeopathic remedy which cures it (let us presume that it works - however ridiculous this may seem) is it safe to have children safe in the knowledge that the faulty gene will not be passed on ?
 
Rolfe said:
[Naturalhealth mode]
No, not at all. O, you people are so negative, why don't you get a life? O, homeopathy can help with all these conditions. O, why don't you try it and then you'd know. O, once the right remedy is identified any disease will be cured. Or the dose of allopathic medication can be reduced. O I forgot, homeopathy doesn't work if you're taking allopathic medication.

O, homeopathy can cure all those things. O, find a good homeopath and you'll see IT WORKS.
[/Naturalhealth mode]

Rolfe.

I would like a try:

"Homeopathy is complimentary medicine. That means it is used in conjunction with standard therapies for a better, holistic outcome. Only your local integrated health centers can offer this exciting new whole person medical care."
 
The Don said:
Does Homeopathy "cure" generic disorders or does it merely "cure" the symptoms ?

For example if one has haemophilia and takes a homeopathic remedy which cures it (let us presume that it works - however ridiculous this may seem) is it safe to have children safe in the knowledge that the faulty gene will not be passed on ?

See the Top Ten Questions at JREF.

Search at Hpathy on Cystic Fibrosis and find many airy claims (especially from Divina) that of course they can cure it, they just never see the cases because evil allopaths have it all wrapped up.

Also at Hpathy they have been asked many times to clarify the position on genetic disorders, but trying to get them to stick to the point is like trying to stuff an octopus into a string bag. Someimtes you need to sidle up to the problem to try and see what their real views are. See this thread for a claim to have cured haemophilia go unchallenged and thereby be implicitly accepted to be true.

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1439&PN=3


(Pssst...I think we can be fairly sure that the late-lamented 'haemophiliac' was a rhetorical ruse, but note that the denizens of Hpathy are so arrogant that they accept the cure of haemophilia at face value. Also note that no one steps in to direct the 'therapist' to get their patient to seek proper help.

It is indirect evidence but once again it demonstrates that these delusional fools think they can cure anything.)
 
One thing, Don, they aren't very consistent in their beliefs.

Divina was adamant they can cure cystic fibrosis, but has just add to this thread;

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1664

claiming they can only help the effects of Down's Syndrome.

[irony]So, that narrows it down. Homeopathy is completely brilliant at repairing point mutations but cannot eliminate a replicated chromosome from every cell in the body. So that'll be an easy trial to set up. Just need some CF patients to volunteer.[/irony]
 
From that thread

I did hear recently of a man that was cured of AIDS with Crot H 200c. He was HIV positive and then developed AIDS. He had frequent episodes where he would just bleed from every orifice and needed hospitalisation. A homeopath managed to see him however and because of this tendency to bleed from all orifices gave one dose of Crot H 200c.

He recovered well from the episode and he was again tested for HIV. His test showed that he had seroconverted to HIV negative.

So, homeopathy has endless possibilities.
:jaw:
 
I am exceedingly impressed by the modesty of one of their posters, whose signature indicates his undoubted prowess in areas other than homeopathy.....

"Homeopathic Doctor Shahkeel Sarwar, B.A, DHMS, RHMP
Black Belt Ninja Master, Editor Monthly Ninja
A Sword Against Social Injustice."
 
Kumar said:
it can't be explained whether homeopathy is better or not than the current science?
OK, Try this one.

There are many, many treatments and drugs which are part of scientific medicine which, when one splits a collection of comparable patients into two groups, one of which really gets the treatment or drug while the other half only think they got the medicine, it is extremely obvious without need for statictics that the former group are on average spectacularly better than the latter. In fact, so much so that for many standard treatments it would be considered unethical to do such a trial.

In contrast, when one again takes two comparable groups of patients, one of which gets their individualised homoeopathic remedy while the other only think they got their remedy, there is on average no observable difference between the groups.

This is fact. Homoeopathy cannot point to even one single disease or one single remedy and say, there is a self-evident effect here. There can be no doubt at all that not only is this not "better" than scientific medicine, it is not better than doing nothing at all.

Why do you even begin to defend this fradulent scam? Just because many people have been successfully scammed? Oh dear.

Rolfe.
 
Strep throat can easily and successfully be treated with the right homeopathic remedy and a patient would recover more quickly than with conventional treatment. A homeopathic remedy will not suppresses the symptoms as will antibiotics, meaning recurrences and probably making a patient more susceptible to more serious conditions. Antibiotic treament that is.

I have just had a case of a child with croup since the age of 5 months that I have fully cured with the right homeopathic remedies.

These are just a few examples that I have of my cases and I can give you lots more cures too.
 
Corallinus said:
Strep throat can easily and successfully be treated with the right homeopathic remedy and a patient would recover more quickly than with conventional treatment. A homeopathic remedy will not suppresses the symptoms as will antibiotics, meaning recurrences and probably making a patient more susceptible to more serious conditions. Antibiotic treament that is.

I have just had a case of a child with croup since the age of 5 months that I have fully cured with the right homeopathic remedies.

These are just a few examples that I have of my cases and I can give you lots more cures too.

Let's just start with this one.

What was the 'correct' remedy in this case?
 
Corallinus said:
Strep throat can easily and successfully be treated with the right homeopathic remedy and a patient would recover more quickly than with conventional treatment. A homeopathic remedy will not suppresses the symptoms as will antibiotics, meaning recurrences and probably making a patient more susceptible to more serious conditions. Antibiotic treament that is.....

This is an EASILY testable claim. Since the pain and suffering of a child with strep is usually gone by the second day of taking antibiotics (but the full course is required to get rid of all the bugs)... how long is a kid in pain on a homoepathic remedy?

How do you know that the own's body's defenses did not fight the bacteria? What happens when a child gets worse and starts losing the battle?

ALSO... it is very easy to test to see if the bacteria are still present after a couple of weeks. I also know that sometimes a child will show no symptoms but still have the infection (had one in our household who kept infecting other kids --- the round of infections was stopped when ALL were put on antibiotics at the same time).

Go ahead prove it... it is worth a million dollars.
 
Corallinus said:
Strep throat can easily and successfully be treated with the right homeopathic remedy and a patient would recover more quickly than with conventional treatment. A homeopathic remedy will not suppresses the symptoms as will antibiotics, meaning recurrences and probably making a patient more susceptible to more serious conditions. Antibiotic treament that is.

I have just had a case of a child with croup since the age of 5 months that I have fully cured with the right homeopathic remedies.

These are just a few examples that I have of my cases and I can give you lots more cures too.
Naturalhealth, talk is cheap. Fiction, however, should be left to the likes of J. K. Rowling.

You come out with these claims with as much facility as I might say, the sky is green. Can you therefore explain why, whenever the parties involved no longer know who has been given the homoeopathic remedy and who hasn't, it becomes impossible to tell which group is which? Why does an effect which is so dramatic (according to you) disappear completely whenever it is subjected to the standard tests to see whether or not any medical intervention is actually having an effect?

O, could it be because the effect is all in your mind, Naturalhealth? O, could it be because none of the stories you tell actually happen, you just make it all up as you go along?

Rolfe.
 
Corallinus said:
Strep throat can easily and successfully be treated with the right homeopathic remedy and a patient would recover more quickly than with conventional treatment. A homeopathic remedy will not suppresses the symptoms as will antibiotics, meaning recurrences and probably making a patient more susceptible to more serious conditions. Antibiotic treament that is.

I have just had a case of a child with croup since the age of 5 months that I have fully cured with the right homeopathic remedies.

These are just a few examples that I have of my cases and I can give you lots more cures too.

My strep throat was recurrent and eventually infected my tonsils. Without the antibiotics until my tonsilectomy, I would have been in severe pain and ran the risk of the infection spreading.

That child with croup, is that your four year old that you mentioned in another thread?
 
Deetee said:
I am exceedingly impressed by the modesty of one of their posters, whose signature indicates his undoubted prowess in areas other than homeopathy.....

"Homeopathic Doctor Shahkeel Sarwar, B.A, DHMS, RHMP
Black Belt Ninja Master, Editor Monthly Ninja
A Sword Against Social Injustice."

Wow! Talk about Real Ultimate Power! Social Injustice, you stand no chance!

Hey, but maybe he's one of those ninjas that are on fire that's chasing Halo on fire with the helicopters as it goes 130mph through a hospital zone.
 

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