Exarchia - It has begun

caveman1917 said:
And yet still, in the end, your housemate got your tin of tomatoes but you didn't get his car.
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He stopped stealing things from the others in the house when he realised his stuff was just as much 'property' as anyone else's, and subject to the same dumb rationalisation for theft arbitrary appropriation.
 
GlennB said:
That the ownership of personal property is a reasonable concept. That appropriating the property of others by (for example) squatting in their houses is not reasonable. In fact the reasonable course of action, in such a case, is to vacate when asked.
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Fundamentally, here's the problem: Why should I care that you find it "reasonable" for some rich dude to buy hundreds of premises and push for a social cleansing of the neighbourhood? I'm not some rich dude with hundreds of premises. ETA: How is it in my interest to adopt that belief as my own?

Also, why didn't you just respond in your anecdote like normal people would:

Him: "Property is theft." (while taking a tin of tomatoes out of the cupboard)

You: "Yes exactly, property is theft, as I'm demonstrating to you right now." (while taking the tin of tomatoes from his hands)

You wouldn't have lost the tin of tomatoes that way. Sure, your housemate's an idiot, I agree. But that doesn't mean one has to be an even bigger idiot in response.
 
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GlennB said:
That the ownership of personal property is a reasonable concept. That appropriating the property of others by (for example) squatting in their houses is not reasonable. In fact the reasonable course of action, in such a case, is to vacate when asked.
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Don't waste your time here, this is a love-fest for folks that buy into the philosophy of socialism/communism/anarchism/syndicalism but want to ignore the side-effects.
 
Caveman1917: just curious on your take on this:

Buddy of mine had a father who started with +/- nothing, became an engineer and was able to leave an inheritance for my buddy. At my advice, he bought a broken down house that I rehabbed for him and we made a nice little assisted income rental.

Is he a fat cat bourgeois? Am I? He put blood and sweat in the rehab too, and pays the bill when things need repair. Should he have to physically fight off squatters?

This is all besides the obvious point that your system wouldn't exist without capitalists feeding into it.
 
Thermal said:
Caveman1917: just curious on your take on this:

Buddy of mine had a father who started with +/- nothing, became an engineer and was able to leave an inheritance for my buddy. At my advice, he bought a broken down house that I rehabbed for him and we made a nice little assisted income rental.

Is he a fat cat bourgeois? Am I? He put blood and sweat in the rehab too, and pays the bill when things need repair. Should he have to physically fight off squatters?
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When did he have to fight off squatters? How many squatters were there? What were the squatters saying? You'll need to be a bit more informative here.

This is all besides the obvious point that your system wouldn't exist without capitalists feeding into it.
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What system? Capitalism? Yes that obviously wouldn't exist without capitalists feeding off it. I wouldn't exactly call it my system though, just the one that happens to be around at this particular point in space and time.
 
BStrong said:
Don't waste your time here, this is a love-fest for folks that buy into the philosophy of socialism/communism/anarchism/syndicalism but want to ignore the side-effects.
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Nah you're just projecting. While there have been some digressions into politics and philosophy those have been prompted by others (GlennB, erwinl, Thermal) initiating discussion of those topics. I started this thread to simply report on events (as in making neutral, factual statements about the world, not making judgments about them) which is what I've mostly done.

I thought some people might be interested in how Exarchia ends up, given that you've been getting Christmas greetings from there almost every year. Also because theprestige indicated in another thread that he doesn't really understand anarchism, so I figured I'd just show him, hence the "It has begun" part of the thread title as I knew this eviction on 26 August would set a whole chain of events in motion.
 
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Thermal said:
We're just posting random claims having no idea what they are? Cool. Should be a blast.
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:rolleyes:

Evidently I rate a news story and discussion post.
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And evidently I don't care about your "ratings."

My turn: Thermal drew a dick with soap on his neighbors window. Call the AP!
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Sounds off-topic. Is your neighbour a Greek consulate? Is the dick some sort of symbol for a solidarity action with the subject of this thread? If not, then perhaps try another thread? Good luck with it though, I'm sure it'll be as interesting as your "ratings."
 
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Thermal said:
My turn: Thermal drew a dick with soap on his neighbors window. Call the AP!
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Though if you want to draw a huge dick on your local Greek consulate then I'd say go for it! Report back afterwards and it'll be "your turn" for the "asserting property rights" section of the thread - a section, I remind you, which was prompted by your obsession with "asserting property rights" in the first place.
 
caveman1917 said:
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And evidently I don't care about your "ratings."
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Well that just hurts my feelings.

Sounds off-topic. Is your neighbour a Greek consulate?
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Sure is! In the sense that the Greek consulate had property rights asserted on it by...what happened again? Oh, that's right...we don't care!

Is the dick some sort of symbol for a solidarity action with the subject of this thread?
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Sure is!The workers at my neighbors house keep using my hose and outside power outlet. Didn't even ask. So they are asserting property rights, if I follow you. So in solidarity with my real estate challenged brethren, I assert counter-property-rights in phallic form. Which is what they are being by not asking first. Viva la revolution!

If not, then perhaps try another thread? Good luck with it though, I'm sure it'll be as interesting as your "ratings."
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My dick counter-property-assertion is way more interesting than a couple lame paint smears. I drew little squirts and everything.

No, this is definitely the thread for not having an honest discussion and playing word games like a freaking 12 year old rather than discuss the topic and the issues it brings up. I have found my intellectual asylum.
 
caveman1917 said:
Though if you want to draw a huge dick on your local Greek consulate then I'd say go for it! Report back afterwards and it'll be "your turn" for the "asserting property rights" section of the thread - a section, I remind you, which was prompted by your obsession with "asserting property rights" in the first place.
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My obsession? I asked one question, once. Honest question which was on-topic. And you respond with the 12 year old thing.

Come on, hommes. You are considered the authority on these matters here. Think you could discuss them like a grown up? Cuz you don't hold a candle to me for childish BS. I wrote the book while you were getting potty trained.

If you'll excuse me, I've had a few adult beverages and am going to urinate in my neighbors' mailbox in solidarity with the thread topic, which is fast becoming 'taking the piss'
 
Thermal said:
I wrote the book while you were getting potty trained.
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And yet Exarchia still stands. Over 2 months after the government announced it would "end" it in a month, and almost a month after the government took 4 squats out of 23 saying they'd be done by the end of the week (which was already a month late of their promise when coming to power).

That book of yours that you wrote, what results have you achieved with it so far? That is, other than urinating in your neighbour's mailbox.
 
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Thermal said:
My dick counter-property-assertion is way more interesting than a couple lame paint smears. I drew little squirts and everything.
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Like I said, I fully support you on this one. Go forth and be-penis your local Greek consulate! :thumbsup:

And if you find some things lame then there are always other options, such as firebombing your local Greek consulate. Or firebombing your national riot police HQ for that matter.


Don't forget to report back and let us know how it went. Until then, I'm going with the principle that actual events in the real world are more interesting than things that only exist in your imagination.
 
caveman1917 said:
And yet Exarchia still stands. Over 2 months after the government announced it would "end" it in a month, and almost a month after the government took 4 squats out of 23 saying they'd be done by the end of the week (which was already a month late of their promise when coming to power).

That book of yours that you wrote, what results have you achieved with it so far? That is, other than urinating in your neighbour's mailbox.
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Pissed him off
 
Thermal said:
Pissed him off
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Pissing people off is easy though. What's hard is pissing off the right people (ie those in power) in the right way (so that you get to keep your squats). And even a speck of paint thrown at a consulate in Italy helps infinitely more with that than you pissing in your neighbour's mailbox, assuming that's even actually true rather than just another thing that only exists in your imagination such as your brother-in-law having to physically fight of squatters in his home.
 
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