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Examples of U.S. Soverign Citizen (Freeman on the Land) Failures

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NOTE: I realize we have the Especially thread where hes merrily back to trolling here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155358

This above thread replaced my original thread on the Freeman on the Land movement because Especially hijacked it. However, I wanted to start a thread to have a place to comprehensively discuss and share examples of the numerous FMOTL failures (it fails every time they try it after all). No trolling zone - lets keep the posts to the topic and to evidence/examples against Freeman on the Land. We could also discuss evidence for Freeman on the Land, but after months of waiting we still don't have any.
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Please share any FMOTL failures you happen to come across. Here is one I found via ATS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-inUK5n6I&hl

Note this young man did everything right in in the courtroom! He said all the right magic phrases and even had web print outs to cite the judge how he is a sovereign citizen.

Unfortunately, it didn't work out so well. Oh well. Another FMOTL failure.
 
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Jargon - ignore especially unless hes replying to the topic. Its his goal to disrupt and deflect: he KNOWS that FMOTL has no basis in reality and is frantically trying to find cover.

Back to my original video - the charge was marijuana position. After the Sovereign Citizen read all of his magical legal woo...it had NO impact on the judge. He did look rather amused, though. The judge put up with it far more than I usually see them do.

I love the ending (paraphrased):

Judge:
"I don't pass the laws. I am here to decide whether or not you were in violation of the law."
Freeman:
"I don't think this is a fair trial, the judge and the prosecutor are on the same team!"
Judge:
"You can appeal if you like. Based on the evidence before me and the chain of custody, I do find you guilty of possession of marijuana. I also find you resisted arrest, although in a peaceful way, so I find you guilty of that also."
Freeman:
"Not only should I not be found guilty, I should be given restitution for any time in jail and have my marijuana returned to me."
Judge:
"Not only will I deny that request, I will issue an order to destroy the evidence."

WINNER: JUDGE
LOSER: FREEMAN ON THE LAND

Another tragic victim to Freeman on the land woo - he was only possessing 0.1 grams, and this was in New Hampshire. If he had simply thrown himself on the mercy of the court, I bet you he would never have been found guilty or could have plea bargained down.
 
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LightinDarkness said:
Jargon - ignore especially unless hes replying to the topic. Its his goal to disrupt and deflect: he KNOWS that FMOTL has no basis in reality and is frantically trying to find cover.

Back to my original video - the charge was marijuana position. After the Sovereign Citizen read all of his magical legal woo...it had NO impact on the judge. He did look rather amused, though.
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The link in your OP points to Especially's train wreck thread. Can you post a link to the video you're talking about?
 
Sorry, but making a case out of 0,1 g of pot is a joke by itself.
He must have insisted loudly on getting a trial.
 
Toke said:
Sorry, but making a case out of 0,1 g of pot is a joke by itself.
He must have insisted loudly on getting a trial.
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Maybe it was 1 gram..will need to watch it again...I was laughing so hard I couldn't help myself when they started talking about the size of it so I may have heard wrong...

Honestly, with the way it looks like he acted with this (taunting the police officer, resisting arrest, following all the other FOTL rituals) it looks like he was begging for a trial. We'll never know, but given its just possession and in a liberal state if he hadn't made so much of a protest it may have never even went to trial.
 
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This appears to be a video of where the guy smokes the weed and flaunts it in front of the officer. Didn't Rob Menard tell us that Freemen on the Land could do such things?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So4_Bh4KQAU&NR=1

He must have resisted arrest sometime after this or the conviction in the other video is for another time he got caught - this time he doesn't appear to resist after shoving the weed in the cop's face.

Being a libertarian, I don't think we should be arresting people for "drugs" that they take of their own free will and as long as they take them in an environment where the only possible harm they can cause is to themselves. However, even though I don't personally think this should be illegal, it illustrates that FOTL ideology is simply wrong: in most US states, marijuana possession is illegal. Consent is NOT required to enforce this statute law, and if caught people using it WILL be punished REGARDLESS of FOTL legal rituals. Indeed, using FOTL rituals might make things worse.
 
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It was 0.18 gram, and the subject of the victim of the crime does appear to make the judge uncomfortable.
There does not seem to be any recognition of the freeman stuff.

I guess the judge is uncomfortable with being an accessory to someone hurting himself so much on the legal system.
 
0.18g? BWHAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA! How much of a jerk would you have to be to the police and court to get taken to trial over that?
 
LightinDarkness said:
Whoops, sorry about that, was copying and pasting around so much I didn't notice. Updated OP, and heres the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-inUK5n6I&hl

Its quite a bit of fun to watch.
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I love the bit where he wants the court to exonerate him and his strategy is to refer to exhibit # 1 (the pot) as his property.Yeah, that'll work. I'm innocent of all charges! Can I have my pot back now?

As an aside, I'm 100% pro-legalization, (de-criminalization at the very least), so I have some sympathy towards this dipstick. But his stupid antics really don't help the cause at all.
 
LightinDarkness said:
This appears to be a video of where the guy smokes the weed and flaunts it in front of the officer. Didn't Rob Menard tell us that Freemen on the Land could do such things?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So4_Bh4KQAU&NR=1
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Actually, in Vancouver, that's not too far off the mark. The police are frequently pretty unconcerned about personal use. I'm sure Menard could talk himself into getting arrested though.
 
D'rok said:
I love the bit where he wants the court to exonerate him and his strategy is to refer to exhibit # 1 (the pot) as his property.Yeah, that'll work. I'm innocent of all charges! Can I have my pot back now?
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Perhaps they could have given it back and then had him arrested for possession all over again.
 
If you don't even know the difference between lawful and legal, and between a statute and the law, then you really are a slave of the state.

The 'law' you claim to be under will enslave you.

But what's the point of arguing ? You can see it on your TV every day. Welcome to the trashing of your own rights in law, the corporate takeover of governments, and the rule of corporate elites. Does that sound familiar ?

Why not ask an oath swearing member of the legal industry ?

No, far easier - go back to sleep.

LOL !
 
D'rok said:
Actually, in Vancouver, that's not too far off the mark. The police are frequently pretty unconcerned about personal use. I'm sure Menard could talk himself into getting arrested though.
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I seem to recall Spider Robinson once made the point that he didn't smoke pot right in front of the cops, because it was considered rude to make them have to notice you....
 
Horatius said:
I seem to recall Spider Robinson once made the point that he didn't smoke pot right in front of the cops, because it was considered rude to make them have to notice you....
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In 1992, last time I was at the Roskilde festival, it did work like that.
The police were there to maintain order and catch thieves, as long as you did not blow smoke in their faces they would pretend not to notice the hashish being smoked.
It worked fine.
 
Horatius said:
I seem to recall Spider Robinson once made the point that he didn't smoke pot right in front of the cops, because it was considered rude to make them have to notice you....
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Sounds about right.
 
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