Examples of Skeptics Cold Reading?

Posted by HenDralux

There's a higher possibility of seeing a snake on a road trip through Cali than many other states though, right
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Well, let's just say that skeptics can "make anything fit, too." :)

(And, through no fault of your own, HenDralux, I wound up debating this after all, didn't I? lol).
 
Clancie said:

Well, let's just say that skeptics can "make anything fit, too." :)
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Dunno if that is *completely* fair in this case. If the afterlife does not exist, the snake theory is very plausible in a cold reading sense.

(And, through no fault of your own, HenDralux, I wound up debating this after all, didn't I? lol).
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uh huh, you know you wanted to. ;)
 
Interesting Ian said:


Is this any relevance to anything whatsoever? Would Clancie consider it a hit if she had happened to see a snake on her journey? :rolleyes:
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I think it's a fair assumption. Either the afterlife exists or it does not.

If it does not, the possibility that the 'snake' word was thrown in to a scenario regarding a road trip in California is very plausible.

If the reader gets a 'hit', all is well. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.
 
TheBoyPaj said:
I used to do the Rubik Cube in less than a minute. If Ian gets a prize I want one too!
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Average 29 secs. Well, during high school... ;)
 
Clancie said:

He doesn't have to retract them. I'm sure he thinks -some- people use tricks. But if you look at him speaking about it, unedited, on this video, he makes his feelings about his own ability quite clear (i.e. he doesn't understand it, anc considers himself, based on what he does, "both a skeptic and a believer").
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I'll have to reserve judgment until I see the tape, which is likely to be never.

However, even if he does think there might be something in it, I was using him as an example of someone using cold reading techniques which, to the audience, are indistiguishable from what they consider the real thing. Do you dispute this?
 
Just a question...

After reading this thread, and others like it, do people actually believe that getting a so called "hit" on a guess at a name is less probable then actually comunicating with someone who is dead?

I mean, if I just take the snake reference for an example, I was talking about a rubber snake last night with some friends. This seems like a closer "hit" then learning somebody has a nickname Snake. After all it did seem like the person was refering to the animal. By the way I can think of two people I know with the same nickname.

I'm not saying this person didn't get the info from the someone already dead, it just seems that there are other possiblilities including a guess.

JPK
 
JPK,

You are absolutely right. The fact that this guess fits a lot of people (and Clancie had to change an animal into a person to make it fit) very strongly suggests that the psychic was merely throwing out a guess.

We have seen from many examples how sitters, desperate to seek connection with their dead relatives, make the most incredible stretches to make it fit.

It is strange that believers argue that if it fits them, then the reading is for them - what is referred to as "validation". That it can be validated by others are completely ignored.
 
Interesting Ian said:


Is this any relevance to anything whatsoever? Would Clancie consider it a hit if she had happened to see a snake on her journey? :rolleyes:
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Yes, she would indeed have considered it a hit if she had seen a snake on that roadtrip.
If you can't understand that, you're too selective, hence, will fail to ever realize what cold reading is all about.


/thomas
 
CFLarsen said:
JPK,

You are absolutely right. The fact that this guess fits a lot of people (and Clancie had to change an animal into a person to make it fit) very strongly suggests that the psychic was merely throwing out a guess.

We have seen from many examples how sitters, desperate to seek connection with their dead relatives, make the most incredible stretches to make it fit.

It is strange that believers argue that if it fits them, then the reading is for them - what is referred to as "validation". That it can be validated by others are completely ignored.
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"An incredible stretch". Yeah, a really incredible stretch :rolleyes: Get a grip.
 
Thomas said:


Yes, she would indeed have considered it a hit if she had seen a snake on that roadtrip.
If you can't understand that, you're too selective, hence, will fail to ever realize what cold reading is all about.


/thomas
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You know Clancie personally? :eek:
 
Interesting Ian said:
"An incredible stretch". Yeah, a really incredible stretch :rolleyes: Get a grip.
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Ian, please. Clancie lives in Snake Country. To get a hit, she has to change an animal into a human being - and then, only a nickname.

Interesting Ian said:
You know Clancie personally? :eek:
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Is it impossible, Ian? Is it in fact not very likely, given that Clancie can change a snake to someone called Snake?
 
Interesting Ian said:


You know Clancie personally? :eek:
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You don't need to know anyone personally to understand the basics of cold reading.

Did I ever tell you about this time when I refused to teach algebra to a chimpanzee? Oh, never mind, that's quite irrelevant :)


/thomas
 
Interesting Ian said:


"An incredible stretch". Yeah, a really incredible stretch :rolleyes: Get a grip.
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First off, I am very new to this board and have spent a great deal of time reading it. I find it very entertaining.
Ian, I have never typed to you before but certainly enjoy reading your posts, and I'm glad to see you back. My question to you is, do you consider communication with the dead, or gaining the info by esp, or precognition, or some other form of paranormal abilities, less of a "stretch" then say "fitting" a guess into "hit" ?

JPK
 
Clancie said:
I saw Ian Rowland cold read at Cal Tech and wasn't impressed. Apparently, even his own assessment of his cold reading demo at TAM2 wasn't very positive.
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Who was he trying to cold read??
 
CFLarsen said:

Use of incorrect terms? I corrected myself.
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Which means you used an incorrect term. It is also not the first time you referred to it as an experiment. I guess you forgot what the term meant.


It isn't an insult if it is true.
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But you see, its not true. It is only your small belief.


My fault. It was UnTrickaBLe.
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You made 2 errors in that post alone. Good job.
 
T'ai Chi said:
Which means you used an incorrect term. It is also not the first time you referred to it as an experiment. I guess you forgot what the term meant.
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But I acknowledged that I was wrong. Do you agree?

T'ai Chi said:
But you see, its not true. It is only your small belief.
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You may think so. However, anyone with a brain will recognize that a statement is not an insult if it is true.

T'ai Chi said:
You made 2 errors in that post alone. Good job.
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Yes, indeed. And I acknowledged them. Now, could you please address my question, instead of continuing to harp on the many personal issues you have?

Are you going to provide UnTrickaBLe with the transcripts you have?

Just yes or no. Please.
 
CFLarsen said:

In his book, "The Full Facts of Cold Reading", he is equally direct. Under the headling "Do psychic powers really exist?" (p.11), he writes:
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Dude, Clancie was talking about Marc Edwards (or Edward?) here. You are talking about Ian Rowland here.
 
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