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[woodguard]

Evolution is a law, so is that area of science a done deal?
I know there are some cataloging and things to be done, but not new information can change it. IT A LAW!

I wonder how many scientist(and researcher) will be turning down research money for work in evolution.
The money could be spent on new unfinished sciences.

And the poor grade students who majored in evolutionary biology, or any of the other evolutionary sciences, will they need counseling for new career paths.
Evolution is for references only.

I did not know you could do this in science?

The with the new(or old) idea that Evolution is based on RANDOM mutations.
Now that RANDOM is a accessible answer, were can wipe out quantum science by just saying it RANDOM.

We can save billions in science by just saying its RANDOM.

I think my brain hurts from all this logic?'

I keep hearing, evolution is a law like the law of gravity. I did not know gravity was a complete know force(or virtual partial) to be a law. Do the string people know this?

 

[Rasmus]

I believe you when you say your brain hurts. It is not from logic.

 

[Jimbo07]

Now, now Rasmus, be nice. It looks like there might be a language barrier here.

I hope so, or my brain will start to hurt...

 

[Rasmus]

Now, now Rasmus, be nice. It looks like there might be a language barrier here.

I am quite sure that there is a language barrier - but beyond that, I see nothing that would make much sense no matter what language oyu use. A grave missunderstanding of what a scientific law is all about is not the worst of it, either.

I hope so, or my brain will start to hurt...

And, again, I would believe that.

Rasmus.

 

[Dragon]

Evolution is a law, ...

No.

 

[brodski]

Evolution is a law, so is that area of science a done deal?
I know there are some cataloging and things to be done, but not new information can change it. IT A LAW!

I wonder how many scientist(and researcher) will be turning down research money for work in evolution.
The money could be spent on new unfinished sciences.

And the poor grade students who majored in evolutionary biology, or any of the other evolutionary sciences, will they need counseling for new career paths.
Evolution is for references only.

I did not know you could do this in science?

The with the new(or old) idea that Evolution is based on RANDOM mutations.
Now that RANDOM is a accessible answer, were can wipe out quantum science by just saying it RANDOM.

We can save billions in science by just saying its RANDOM.

I think my brain hurts from all this logic?'

I keep hearing, evolution is a law like the law of gravity. I did not know gravity was a complete know force(or virtual partial) to be a law. Do the string people know this?

a few quick points

1) you need to understand what the terms theory and law mean when applied to scientific concepts.
2) you need to understand that whilst there is a random element in evolution, this randomness is then filtered by the process of natural selection, as well as other evolutionary factors such as sexual selection. The results are anything but random.
3) just because we understand the mechanics of a scientific concept enough for it to be classified as a "law" does not mean that there is no more to study. and it does not mean that high Scholl students should not be taught it, the understanding of the world that comes with an understanding of evolution is valuable to everyone. I’ll point to "bird 'flu" as a case in point.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Evolution is a law, so is that area of science a done deal?

No.

The laws of genetics are laws.

The law of natural selection is a law.

Together, they comprise the theory of evolution.

This doesn't mean that we know everything about nature: there are still, for rxample, fossils that haven't been dug up and so forth.

If the only question we wanted answering was "did evolution take place", then we could indeed lay off all the paleonotologists. But it is nice to know the details. and so long as they keep finding new fossil forms, there is arguably still a use for them.

 

[Chris Hyland]

There are many things that we dont know about the mechanisms of evolution, there is more research in that area than there ever was. Saying the problem had been completely solved is what gives the creationists fuel to say that scientists are being dogmatic. The fact that we do not know everything of course does not mean their are 'problems' or 'gaps'. Random in this case means unguided or unplanned. There are still plenty of jobs and dozens of people researching evolution in my university, as there are with gravity.

 

[woodguard]

Don’t you hated it when you are bitch slapped by hard logic?
One of the reason, I keep coming back here is to have my fuzzy logic trimmed.

 

[Lynx2174]

Don’t you hated it when you are bitch slapped by hard logic?
One of the reason, I keep coming back here is to have my fuzzy logic trimmed.

... I haven't the slightest idea what you're saying dude. Are you not a native engilsh-speaker? near as I can tell you're mixing metaphorical language in ways that defy convention.

some creationists say that evolution is a THEORY, and so us supporters say that gravity is also a theory, which it is. there are of course laws of gravity, like there are the laws of natural selection and genetics.

Creationists sometimes say evolution is not complete enough to be a law, but this is wrong because theories do not "grow up" to become laws. IIRC, laws are descriptive of phenomena, while theories are expanitive.

You are the first person I've ever heard say that evolution is a law.

 

[VonNeumann]

Don’t you hate it when you are bitch slapped by hard logic?
One of the reasons I keep coming back here is to have my fuzzy logic trimmed.

Woodguard, don't let yourself be bullied. What you saw was not "hard logic". I think you deserve credit for your premise, as it is already well noted by many. Not that I would say evolution is a law, but that some have equated the certitude with that of gravity. The only reason they can do that is due to a slight of hand where the definition of evolution is changed mid-sentence. None doubt micro-evolution but one does not have to be a creationist to see that macro-evolution is far from being 'fact' (or 'law'). I would prefer that one would only have to be a skeptic to see that, not a so-called 'creationist'.

Here is what a fellow Canadian scientist said.

"I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity."—W.R. Thompson. Introduction to Charles Darwin's, Origin of the Species [Canadian scientist].

 

[Dr Adequate]

The only reason they can do that is due to a slight of hand where the definition of evolution is changed mid-sentence.

This is not true, which is why you can offer no examples of anyone doing this.

Here is what a fellow Canadian scientist said.

"I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity."—W.R. Thompson. Introduction to Charles Darwin's, Origin of the Species [Canadian scientist].

Here is what some other scientists have said more recently on the same subject:

"Evolutionary theory ranks with Einstein's theory of relativity as one of modern science's most robust, generally accepted, thoroughly tested and broadly applicable concepts. From the standpoint of science, there is no controversy."

--- Louise Lamphere, President of the American Anthropological Association; Mary Pat Matheson, President of the American Assn of Botanical Gardens and Arboreta; Eugenie Scott, President of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists; Robert Milkey, Executive Officer of the American Astronomical Society; Barbara Joe Hoshiazaki, President of the American Fern Society; Oliver A. Ryder, President of the American Genetic Association; Larry Woodfork, President of the American Geological Institute; Marcia McNutt, President of the American Geophysical Union; Judith S. Weis, President of the American Institute of Biological Sciences; Arvind K.N. Nandedkar, President of the American Institute of Chemists; Robert H. Fakundiny, President of the American Institute of Professional Geologists; Hyman Bass, President of the American Mathematical Society; Ronald D. McPherson, Executive Director of the American Meteorological Society; John W. Fitzpatrick, President of the American Ornithologists' Union; George Trilling, President of the American Physical Society; Martin Frank, Executive Director of the American Physiological Society; Steven Slack, President of the American Phytopathological Society; Raymond D. Fowler, Chief Executive Officer American Psychological Association; Alan Kraut, Executive Director of the American Psychological Society; Catherine E. Rudder, Executive Director of the American Political Science Association; Robert D. Wells, President of the American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology; Abigail Salyers, President of the American Society for Microbiology; Brooks Burr, President of the American Society of Ichthylogists & Herpetologists; Thomas H. Kunz, President of the American Society of Mammalogists; Mary Anne Holmes, President of the Association for Women Geoscientists; Linda H. Mantel, President of the Association for Women in Science; Ronald F. Abler, Executive Director of the Association of American Geographers; Vicki Cowart, President of the Association of American State Geologists; Nils Hasselmo, President of the Association of American Universities; Thomas A. Davis, President of the Assn. of College & University Biology Educators; Richard Jones, President of the Association of Earth Science Editors; Rex Upp, President of the Association of Engineering Geologists; Robert R. Haynes, President of the Association of Southeastern Biologists; Kenneth R. Ludwig, Director of the Berkeley Geochronology Center; Rodger Bybee, Executive Director of the Biological Sciences Curriculum Study; Mary Dicky Barkley, President of the Biophysical Society; Judy Jernstedt, President of the Botanical Society of America; Ken Atkins, Secretary of the Burlington-Edison Cmte. for Science Education; Austin Dacey, Director of the Center for Inquiry Institute; Blair F. Jones, President of the Clay Minerals Society; Barbara Forrest, President of the Citizens for the Advancement of Science Education; Timothy Moy, President of the Coalition for Excellence in Science and Math Education; K. Elaine Hoagland, National Executive Officer Council on Undergraduate Research; David A. Sleper, President of the Crop Science Society of America; Steve Culver, President of the Cushman Foundation for Foraminiferal Research; Pamela Matson, President of the Ecological Society of America; Larry L. Larson, President of the Entomological Society of America; Royce Engstrom, Chair of the Board of Directors of the EPSCoR Foundation; Robert R. Rich, President of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology; Stephen W. Porges, President of the Federation of Behavioral, Psychological and Cognitive Sciences; Roger D. Masters, President of the Foundation for Neuroscience and Society; Kevin S. Cummings, President of the Freshwater Mollusk Conservation Society; Sharon Mosher, President of the Geological Society of America; Dennis J. Richardson, President of the Helminthological Society of Washington; Aaron M. Bauer, President of the Herpetologists' League; William Perrotti, President of the Human Anatomy & Physiology Society; Lorna G. Moore, President of the Human Biology Association; Don Johanson, Director of the Institute of Human Origins; Harry McDonald, President of the Kansas Association of Biology Teachers; Steve Lopes, President of the Kansas Citizens For Science; Margaret W. Reynolds, Executive Director of the Linguistic Society of America; Robert T. Pennock, President of the Michigan Citizens for Science; Cornelis "Kase" Klein,President of the Mineralogical Society of America; Ann Lumsden, President of the National Association of Biology Teachers; Darryl Wilkins, President of the National Association for Black Geologists & Geophysicists; Steven C. Semken, President of the National Association of Geoscience Teachers; Kevin Padian, President of the National Center for Science Education; Tom Ervin, President of the National Earth Science Teachers Association; Gerald Wheeler, Executive Director of the National Science Teachers Association; Meredith Lane, President of the Natural Science Collections Alliance; Cathleen May, President of the Newkirk Engler & May Foundation; Dave Thomas, President of the New Mexicans for Science and Reason; Marshall Berman, President (elect) of the New Mexico Academy of Science; Connie J. Manson, President of the Northwest Geological Society; Lydia Villa-Komaroff, Vice Pres. for Research Northwestern University; Gary S. Hartshorn, President of the Organization for Tropical Studies; Warren Allmon, Director of the Paleontological Research Institution; Patricia Kelley, President of the Paleontological Society; Henry R. Owen, Director of Phi Sigma: The Biological Sciences Honor Society; Charles Yarish, President of the Phycological Society of America; Barbara J. Moore, President and CEO of Shape Up America!; Robert L. Kelly, President of the Society for American Archaeology; Richard Wilk, President of the Society for Economic Anthropology; Marvalee Wake, President of the Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology; Gilbert Strang, Past-Pres. & Science Policy Chair of the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics; Prasanta K. Mukhopadhyay, President of the Society for Organic Petrology; Howard E. Harper, Executive Director of the Society for Sedimentary Geology; Nick Barton, President of the Society for the Study of Evolution; Deborah Sacrey, President of the Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists; J.D. Hughes, President of the Society of Petroleum Evaluation Engineers; Lea K. Bleyman, President of the Society of Protozoologists; Elizabeth Kellogg, President of the Society of Systematic Biologists; David L. Eaton, President of the Society of Toxicology; Richard Stuckey, President of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology; Pat White, Executive Director of the Triangle Coalition for Science and Technology Education; Richard A. Anthes, President of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.

 

[ohms]

Not forgetting Project Steve where nearly 700 scientists signed supporting the following statement:

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.

 

[thaiboxerken]

That website rocks! It has lots of ammo to use against creationists and ID'ers.

 

[woodguard]

... I haven't the slightest idea what you're saying dude. Are you not a native engilsh-speaker? near as I can tell you're mixing metaphorical language in ways that defy convention.

Here, I will help you understand an old computer geek.

“Don’t you hate it when you are bitch slapped by hard logic?”
Bitch slapped -is an act of domestic violence. Normally one parter hit the other cross the face, with the back of the hand. To knock some sense into them.

Hard logic - logic that is hard?

“One of the reasons I keep coming back here is to have my fuzzy logic trimmed.”

Fuzzy logic, is logic that does not use true/false but grays or light and dark(or levels). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic

Fuzzy, also means covering with fine light hairs.

Also, I learn for my mistakes and I learn a LOT!

Please correct me if I am wrong, especially in spell and grammar. And English is my first language(BASIC and machine code was my second). Canadian-English to be exactly but I was screw up in school when they tried to teacher me french?