Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[DOC]

I gave you my favourite bible version. See here. I don't know which translation it uses.

So in other words you don't know what translation this site uses?

 

[Helen]

So in other words you don't know what translation this site uses?

Those are not other words. Those are, in fact, the same word Lothian used.

 

[carlitos]

Hello, DOC? You there?

I'm tempted to add questions, but let's stick with these for now.

I listed my favorite translation.

What is the point it talking about translations, DOC?

In what language was the bible written, DOC?

ETA - In what city was Barack Obama born, DOC?

 

[DOC]

You seem to have forgotten to make a point.

English Standard Version

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

My point is that it looks like the bible says some servants suffer unjustly because some masters are unjust.

 

[Helen]

English Standard Version

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

My point is that it looks like the bible says some servants suffer unjustly because some masters are unjust.

Another point would be that god thinks it's nice when you suffer unjustly; "a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrow".

And neither point seem relevant to anything much.

 

[DOC]

Those are not other words. Those are, in fact, the same word Lothian used.

OK, yes, I see that now. Lothian does not know what translation his site uses. Or if they use multiple translations.

 

[Helen]

OK, yes, I see that now. Lothian does not know what translation his site uses. Or if they use multiple translations.

And your point is?

 

[RoboTimbo]

English Standard Version

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

My point is that it looks like the bible says some servants suffer unjustly because some masters are unjust.

So is this the evidence that the NT writers were telling the truth that we've been waiting for?

 

[joobz]

English Standard Version

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

My point is that it looks like the bible says some servants suffer unjustly because some masters are unjust.

proof that both Jesus and god condone the unjust beating of servants and slaves.

 

[joobz]

Another point would be that god thinks it's nice when you suffer unjustly; "a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrow".

And neither point seem relevant to anything much.

except for illustrating the bizarre cruelty of the christian god.

 

[Cleon]

DOC, considering that you do not speak ancient Greek or Hebrew (in fact, your modern English isn't even that good), harping on the "issue" of translation is not the best way to reinforce your position. You're arguing from ignorance.

 

[zooterkin]

DOC, considering that you do not speak ancient Greek or Hebrew (in fact, your modern English isn't even that good), harping on the "issue" of translation is not the best way to reinforce your position. You're arguing from ignorance.

I sometimes get the impression he is arguing for ignorance.

 

[DOC]

English Standard Version

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

My point is that it looks like the bible says some servants suffer unjustly because some masters are unjust.

Another point would be that god thinks it's nice when you suffer unjustly; "a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrow".

And neither point seem relevant to anything much.

It was relevant to Rev. Martin Luther King when he endured sorrows peacefully while suffering unjustly.

 

[Lothian]

So in other words you don't know what translation this site uses?

English Standard Version

Thanks, I think you are right but to be honest I just like to look at the pictures. Same with the bible.

 

[Cleon]

I sometimes get the impression he is arguing for ignorance.

Oh, he most certainly is. The question is whether he's aware of that or not.

 

[zooterkin]

It was relevant to Rev. Martin Luther King when he endured sorrows peacefully while suffering unjustly.

Don't you believe your god punishes people for sins, such as adultery? In that case, are you wise to be deciding if god's punishments are just?

 

[joobz]

Oh, he most certainly is. The question is whether he's aware of that or not.

What you are really wondering is if he is practicing what he preaches. I think there is no doubt of that.

 

[DOC]

proof that both Jesus and god condone the unjust beating of servants and slaves.

Joobz, the bible says God is just. Don't you get a feeling from reading the bible that God will punish the unjust masters that the bible says existed at that time.

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

 

[joobz]

Joobz, the bible says God is just. Don't you get a feeling from reading the bible that God will punish the unjust masters that the bible says existed at that time.

1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust

1Pe 2:19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly.

Is it just to let people suffer unjustly?

Is it just to beat people who unknowingly break a rule?
Wouldn't it better to teach without physical abuse not to repeat the error?

 

[carlitos]

(tap tap tap) ... is this thing on?

DOC,
You may not realize it, but I'm genuinely interested in why you are talking about translations. Is there a point?

I'm tempted to add questions, but let's stick with these for now.

I listed my favorite translation.

What is the point in talking about translations, DOC?

In what language was the bible written, DOC?

ETA - In what city was Barack Obama born, DOC?