Europeans prefer tyrants

[aerocontrols]

So, other European countries - Denmark, to pick one - do not know what freedom is?

No actually he said this:

The Poles know first hand what it is like to live under a tyrant. They remember who was the leader in their fight for freedom. The other Europeans did not learn this from their grandparents.

In other words, the Poles understand the big issues are not overwhelmed by, relatively, petty disputes.

I don't know that I agree, but they 'do not know what freedom is' isn't in there.

 

[CFLarsen]

I don't know that I agree, but they 'do not know what freedom is' isn't in there.

But Denmark was occupied during WWII. Doesn't that count as "living under a tyrant"?

The line is drawn at 1989 and not 1945? Why?

 

[CBL4]

But Denmark was occupied during WWII. Doesn't that count as "living under a tyrant"?

The line is drawn at 1989 and not 1945? Why?

Perhaps the 44 year difference in time is why I mentioned "did not learn this from their grandparent." Perhaps first hand is better than history books.

CBL

 

[CFLarsen]

Perhaps the 44 year difference in time is why I mentioned "did not learn this from their grandparent." Perhaps first hand is better than history books.

CBL

It usually is. Does that preclude that Danes do not know how to fight for freedom?

Why is it a bad thing to have lived in freedom for 44 more years than the Poles?

 

[Tony]

Perhaps the 44 year difference in time is why I mentioned "did not learn this from their grandparent." Perhaps first hand is better than history books.

Using this logic, americans know even less than Danes about freedom.

 

[Jocko]

It usually is. Does that preclude that Danes do not know how to fight for freedom?

Why is it a bad thing to have lived in freedom for 44 more years than the Poles?

And how many of those years were spent fighting with the nazis, while the Poles were fighting AGAINST the nazis?

Little stumbles like that are what may make one question the Danish dedication to fighting for freedom, that's all.

 

[CFLarsen]

And how many of those years were spent fighting with the nazis, while the Poles were fighting AGAINST the nazis?

You seriously need to read up on the history of Polish collaboration with Nazi Germany. You might want to start with the issues of Polish kapos and Polish antisemitism.

No, wait. Just open a history book. Any will do.

Little stumbles like that are what may make one question the Danish dedication to fighting for freedom, that's all.

Such hatred and disdain for just one nation. Or is it not just one nation?

Where does that hatred come from?

 

[CBL4]

Using this logic, americans know even less than Danes about freedom

If all you do is read about it a history book, I do not think it matters if it was 60 or 200 years ago.

Poles, Canadians and Americans prefer all the decomcracies to the one tyranny mentioned. "Old Europe" prefers China to a democracy. You can excuse it in any way you like. Sharansky would describe it as false moral equivalence. I concur.

As far as Europeans prefering Hu to Bush, I would assume ignorance instead of stupidity. They are probably unaware of Hu's threats to Taiwan, crackdown of dissent and imposing martial law in Tibet in 1989. It's not surprising considering their leaders' desire to ensure that Hu and his cronies have the weapons to stifle freedom in China and to aid in expanding tyranny.

CBL

 

[CBL4]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Why is it a bad thing to have lived in freedom for 44 more years than the Poles?

In virtually every way, it is obviously better to live free than in tyranny. The only disadvantage I can see is that free people are sometime foolish in their ideas about tyranny and freedom as these polls indicate.

People who lived under Soviet tyranny understand the absurdity of comparing Gitmo to the Gulag. Some people who have only known freedom cannot see that the one of the more repressive leaders from a liberal democracy does not compare to any tyrants. They lack moral clarity.

CBL

 

[CFLarsen]

If all you do is read about it a history book, I do not think it matters if it was 60 or 200 years ago.

Then, you shouldn't complain about Danes vs. Poles.

Poles, Canadians and Americans prefer all the decomcracies to the one tyranny mentioned. "Old Europe" prefers China to a democracy. You can excuse it in any way you like. Sharansky would describe it as false moral equivalence. I concur.

But not all European countries are included. How can you generalize that way, then?

As far as Europeans prefering Hu to Bush, I would assume ignorance instead of stupidity.

Europeans do not prefer Hu to Bush. You cannot possibly make that conclusion.

They are probably unaware of Hu's threats to Taiwan, crackdown of dissent and imposing martial law in Tibet in 1989. It's not surprising considering their leaders' desire to ensure that Hu and his cronies have the weapons to stifle freedom in China and to aid in expanding tyranny.

You have absolutely no idea what Europeans think.

Do you have any comment on the number of Danes emigrating to China and the US? Do you have any numbers on emigration yourself?

Or did you just make a statement based on ignorance? Or perhaps it was stupidity?

 

[Tony]

If all you do is read about it a history book, I do not think it matters if it was 60 or 200 years ago.

Poles, Canadians and Americans prefer all the decomcracies to the one tyranny mentioned. "Old Europe" prefers China to a democracy.

Perhaps they undestand the fact that "democracy" in America is mostly a farce.

As far as Europeans prefering Hu to Bush, I would assume ignorance instead of stupidity.

Or they're smart enough to know Bush's memes about "spreading democracy and freedom" are BS.

 

[CFLarsen]

In virtually every way, it is obviously better to live free than in tyranny. The only disadvantage I can see is that free people are sometime foolish in their ideas about tyranny and freedom as these polls indicate.

People who lived under Soviet tyranny understand the absurdity of comparing Gitmo to the Gulag. Some people who have only known freedom cannot see that the one of the most repressive leaders from a liberal democracy does not compare to any tyrants. They lack moral clarity.

By that analogy, Americans lack moral clarity more than any other European country.

 

[Tony]

This poll reflects worse on Bush than it does on Europeans. It's pretty telling when a president has managed to make America, land of the free, home of the brave, where all men are created equal and where we are guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, look worse than China.

 

[Tmy]

Whats so bad about China? So theyre commies. Big deal. How else you gonna control a billion people.?

 

[H3LL]

Tut! Nobody is being shallow enough.

It's all about the average size of the female derrière.

The Chinese equivalent of this is quite rare.





A personal anecdote was reverse culture-shock. When visiting home (rare) first shock is "Where are all the people?" second was "Gosh! So many are sooooo fat!".


ETA: The marvelous US PR job done by exporting Springer around the world is something of a marketing coup too.

 

[H3LL]

Whats so bad about China? So theyre commies. Big deal. How else you gonna control a billion people.?

Religion?

 

[RandFan]

I guess this is why so many Europeans emigrate to China while virtually none go to the US.