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Eugenics supporters?

Those who know what they're talking about back up their opinions with facts. Those who pull opinions out of their ass back up their opinion with feces, TC.
 
Morrigan said:
Dustin, who would flip your burgers and clean your toilets in your world?
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Firstly, Machines could do that.

Secondly, Why must people have issues with doing such jobs? The only reason people in most societies today consider being a janitor or restaurant worker somehow on a "lower level" than any other job is a chance occurrence. This isn't even an issue with genetics, just society, which education could change.

CFLarsen said:
You miss the point of Huxley's all-Alpha society. It didn't break down because the Alphas knew they had been genetically designed to be Alphas. It broke down because nobody wanted to take on the more menial jobs that exist in any society.
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You're assuming that there would be specific jobs considered "menial" in any society. I see no reason why the issues people have with doing specific jobs couldn't be fixed via genetic engineering or education. Moreover, We today have the technology to get rid of the more menial jobs but it would cost more. That's the only issue.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
The only reason people in most societies today consider being a janitor or restaurant worker somehow on a "lower level" than any other job is a chance occurrence. This isn't even an issue with genetics, just society, which education could change.
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What happens to your assertion when I tell you I never graduated any school and I pay taxes in America at the top 5% level?
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
You're assuming that there would be specific jobs considered "menial" in any society. I see no reason why the issues people have with doing specific jobs couldn't be fixed via genetic engineering or education. Moreover, We today have the technology to get rid of the more menial jobs but it would cost more. That's the only issue.
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How long has it been since you looked down the drain in your bathroom?
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Firstly, Machines could do that.

Secondly, Why must people have issues with doing such jobs? The only reason people in most societies today consider being a janitor or restaurant worker somehow on a "lower level" than any other job is a chance occurrence. This isn't even an issue with genetics, just society, which education could change.




You're assuming that there would be specific jobs considered "menial" in any society. I see no reason why the issues people have with doing specific jobs couldn't be fixed via genetic engineering or education. Moreover, We today have the technology to get rid of the more menial jobs but it would cost more. That's the only issue.
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People take jobs as janitors or restaurant workers because, at the lowest levels, they require almost no skills.

And, given the explosive expansion of scientific and engineering knowledge, and the current march of inflation, it's only a matter of time before those jobs cost more for humans to preform than some easy technological means like specialist robots (a la a Roomba, say Mk79).
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
What happens to your assertion when I tell you I never graduated any school and I pay taxes in America at the top 5% level?
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Nothing. By "education" I don't necessarily mean conventional education but mean any education, including self education or experience.

CFLarsen said:
How long has it been since you looked down the drain in your bathroom?
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Few days. But just because you or I might not enjoy being a plumber doesn't mean that there are people out there who don't. I personally know many who do.

balrog666 said:
People take jobs as janitors or restaurant workers because, at the lowest levels, they require almost no skills.
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Well perhaps that is why they are held at a higher standard in this society, they require more skill than others. However from an empirical standpoint, Being an actor isn't more important than being a janitor even though actors get paid thousands of times more for their work. Society can live without actors, can it live without people such as garbage collectors, janitors, and all of the other people who do the dirty jobs that no one else wants to do? The fact that we prize actors for instance over garbage collectors is just an oddity of society and civilization.

The point though, There are people who enjoy doing these jobs and they enjoy them for one reason or another be it due to genetics making them more capable to do them or upbringing or education.

balrog666 said:
And, given the explosive expansion of scientific and engineering knowledge, and the current march of inflation, it's only a matter of time before those jobs cost more for humans to preform than some easy technological means like specialist robots (a la a Roomba, say Mk79).
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True.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
However from an empirical standpoint, Being an actor isn't more important than being a janitor even though actors get paid thousands of times more for their work. Society can live without actors, can it live without people such as garbage collectors, janitors, and all of the other people who do the dirty jobs that no one else wants to do?
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One could make the valid argument that without actors society could only subsist and not thrive. I doubt any would sign up for subsistence.
 
Actors are starting to be replaced by machines, too. Witness all the Pixar stuff. There are even a number of attempts at more realistic renderings for movies (e.g. Final Fantasy). It's got a long way to go, and they still use "voice talent", but the handwriting is on the wall.
 
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Beerina said:
Actors are starting to be replaced by machines, too. Witness all the Pixar stuff. There are even a number of attempts at more realistic renderings for movies (e.g. Final Fantasy). It's got a long way to go, and they still use "voice talent", but the handwriting is on the wall.
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Interesting point. Thanks for the thought.
 
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