Erich von Daniken RIP

Beware of Recency Bias.

Just because van Daniken recently died, the availability of this information could be colouring people's recollections of their skeptical development, and ignoring the many other factors and influences that contributed.
I've related the story of how the Nova episode debunking von Daniken influenced me before in this forum and other places, so I don't think my memory is affected by recent events.

I did discover Philip Klass's book not long after seeing that TV show. It was also a big influence.
 
I thought L Ron Hubbard had created Scientology in response to a bet at a fan conference.
One of the stories about the creation of Scientology is that Isaac Asimov and L. Ron Hubbard were having a conversation sometime in the late forties or early 1950s and Asimov mentioned how much money they were making from their Science Fiction, Hubbard then mentioned that the real way to earn lots of money was to found your own religion!

I have no idea if there is any truth to this story.
There is some truth to these stories, but the actual history is somewhat more complicated.

It's been quite a few years since the last time I read Bare-Faced Messiah but the overwhelming impression that I got was that Hubbard was an undiagnosed schizophrenic. He really thought that psychiatrists were evil manipulators and he wrote Dianetics as an alternative approach to what he believed was good mental health. Then over time, his psychosis got worse and worse and the claims of Scientology got wilder and wilder, until he started writing the script for the feature film that he believed reflected the true state of the universe, and this is where Xenu, engrams, and the alien souls in volcanoes came from.
 
I've related the story of how the Nova episode debunking von Daniken influenced me before in this forum and other places, so I don't think my memory is affected by recent events.

I did discover Philip Klass's book not long after seeing that TV show. It was also a big influence.
That Nova episode was the start of a realization for me as well. I was struck by how ingenious and resourceful ancient humans could be, and how disappointingly incurious and dismissive von Daniken seemed to be about that ingenuity. He truly was the godfather of "I don't understand it, therefore aliens".
 
Really?

I have that and a few others by Van Vogt...

I thought L Ron Hubbard had created Scientology in response to a bet at a fan conference.

Edited to add:

Colour me surprised!

Today I learned that AE Van Vogt
Really?

I have that and a few others by Van Vogt...

I thought L Ron Hubbard had created Scientology in response to a bet at a fan conference.

Edited to add:

Colour me surprised!

Today I learned that AE Van Vogt was an early proponent of dianetics!

was an early proponent of dianetics!
From an old thread:

True and there is plenty of evidence he lifted it from the works of other writers.

From A.E. Van Vogt's 1948 The Players of Null-A
From his height of greater understanding he assured the younger individual that the affective incident must be looked at from a different angle than that of a frightened youth. Assured him that fear of pain and fear of death were emotions that could be overcome, and that in short the shock incident which had once affected him so profoundly no longer had any meaning for him. More than that, in future he would have better understanding of such moments, and he would never again be affected in an adverse fashion.

It was one more Null-A training make-shift, as had been all the others. But is was a system of self-therapy that was scientifically sound, and which would bring definite benefits.

"Relax," the voice soothed on. And because of what he was doing, every word meant, "Relax the tensions of a life time. Let all those past fears and doubts and uncertainties be discharged from the nervous system."

The effect did not depend on any belief that something would happen, though conviction made it more powerful. But it would take time. There were many suppressed memories that would have to be skilfully brought out in the open, before the therapy could be used on them.

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Beware of Recency Bias.

Just because van Daniken recently died, the availability of this information could be colouring people's recollections of their skeptical development, and ignoring the many other factors and influences that contributed.
Of course but he was certainly one of those that helped encourage skepticism in some folk because he was so easily debunked, see my comment about human skeletons. I certainly read him at the time I so wanted ESP, ghosts, UFOs and super powers to exist that I read everything I could on such subjects. For some reason despite back then (1970s) the existence of superpowers, ghosts and so on being mainstream, scientists being interviewed claiming of laboratory testing showing ESP existed and so on I was lucky in that I didn't follow a talking white rabbit down the rabbit hole.
 
True and there is plenty of evidence he lifted it from the works of other writers.

Yeah but that doesn't describe anything to do with Dianetics. Engrams are not repressed memories, they are literally the traumatised souls of ancient aliens that have taken residence in someone's mind.
 
Yeah but that doesn't describe anything to do with Dianetics. Engrams are not repressed memories, they are literally the traumatised souls of ancient aliens that have taken residence in someone's mind.
That's the later stuff he came up with and is Scientology not Dianetics.
 

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