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Equation - to the power of minus one?

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Question from a patron:

Looking in the back of a physics text book of some sort and it lists some constants.

the speed of light is:

2.998 x 108 ms-1
What does the -1 do?

Oh and is 'ms' meters per second, or miliseconds?

Goggle wasn't much help here except that it gave me an answer in hertz (is that right?)
 
s-1 is "per second".

I don't know why they didn't write 3x108 m/s.
 
In that context, 'm' was for 'meters,' 's' was for 'seconds.' X-1 = 1/X, so ms-1 is meters/second

ETA: Meadmaker beat me to it. And using that notation that is handy when doing dimensional analysis, but it's certainly counterintuitive the rest of the time.
 
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Thanks...

ETA: Ah - now I know and understand...

Cheers
 
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In this instance, it modifies the ms from metres x seconds, to metres per (ie, divided by) seconds.

So in "2.998 x 108 ms-1", "ms-1" is actually read as metres per second.

IF it were just 2.998 x 108 ms, you would read it as "metre seconds"

And yes, it is definitely in metres per second, rather than milliseconds.

And no - it isn't in hertz. Hertz is the unit of frequency, which is also (though rarely these days) quoted as cycles per second.
 
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s-1 is "per second".

I don't know why they didn't write 3x108 m/s.

Because there is the ever so vague possibility that if you write "m/s", someone, somewhere will interpret it as "mis" or as "mls".

It is less of a problem if you type it out, but it dates back to the days when people wrote by hand. With pencils.
 
I don't know why they didn't write 3x108 m/s.

Well, the other notation does have the convenience that you can add additional units in any order without ambiguity and without parentheses. For example, a m s-1 kg is obviously the same thing as a kg m s-1. But if I write m/s kg, do I mean (m/s) kg or m/(s kg)?
 
Just last week, I encountered an EOP(End of Paper) error and accidently swallowed mine....
 
Pen - sils?

what sort of a computer is that?

Many years ago, the University of Tennessee developed a new type of computer that made permanent marks on a piece of paper. This was a huge advancement over the display-based computers of the day, because the data didn't disappear when you turned off the computer. In fact, 'SIL' stood for "Send It Later!" which was their marketing slogan, referring to the fact that you could work on something for a bit, stop, then come back to it later and still have the data just as you left it.

Because of the U.Tenn origin, they collectively known as "UTenn-sils." The original was quite heavy, hence the nickname "ton-sil," but the ton-sils didin't really do much and frequently developed problems, so most of them were quickly removed from service. U.Tenn dropped out after that fiasco, but the University of Pennsylvania picked where U.Tenn left off. The "penn-sil" was lighter and had a soft pink 'erase' button that allowed some basic editing. As I recall, the erase button would wear out after too much use.

Microsoft dabbled with their own version, test-marketing names like "Vista-sil" and "XP-sil" and "DOS-sil", but the focus groups complained that none of those sounded like real words. Eventually they stumbled across "Window-sil," which did very well in the focus groups. By that time, of course, Microsoft had decided to get out of the hardware business. As I recall, they found some other use for the "Window-sil" name (shortened a bit, I think), but I can't remember what they used it for.
 
Question from a patron:

Looking in the back of a physics text book of some sort and it lists some constants.

the speed of light is:

2.998 x 108 ms-1
What does the -1 do?

Oh and is 'ms' meters per second, or miliseconds?

Goggle wasn't much help here except that it gave me an answer in hertz (is that right?)

Google thought you meant milliseconds because you had no space between the 'm' and the 's'. Then, hertz is right. Try again with a space, and see what Google tells you.
 
Many years ago, the University of Tennessee developed a new type of computer that made permanent marks on a piece of paper. This was a huge advancement over the display-based computers of the day, because the data didn't disappear when you turned off the computer. In fact, 'SIL' stood for "Send It Later!" which was their marketing slogan, referring to the fact that you could work on something for a bit, stop, then come back to it later and still have the data just as you left it.

Because of the U.Tenn origin, they collectively known as "UTenn-sils." The original was quite heavy, hence the nickname "ton-sil," but the ton-sils didin't really do much and frequently developed problems, so most of them were quickly removed from service. U.Tenn dropped out after that fiasco, but the University of Pennsylvania picked where U.Tenn left off. The "penn-sil" was lighter and had a soft pink 'erase' button that allowed some basic editing. As I recall, the erase button would wear out after too much use.

Microsoft dabbled with their own version, test-marketing names like "Vista-sil" and "XP-sil" and "DOS-sil", but the focus groups complained that none of those sounded like real words. Eventually they stumbled across "Window-sil," which did very well in the focus groups. By that time, of course, Microsoft had decided to get out of the hardware business. As I recall, they found some other use for the "Window-sil" name (shortened a bit, I think), but I can't remember what they used it for.

Brilliant - Nominated.

Cheers for all the help... I shall now print it out and try and explain it to Geoffrey err random patron...
 
The "penn-sil" was lighter and had a soft pink 'erase' button that allowed some basic editing. As I recall, the erase button would wear out after too much use.

That was the line that had carbon rather than silicon based processors, wasn't it? My favorite was the old number 2.0. It had a little sticker that said "Graphite inside" on it.
 
ETA: Meadmaker beat me to it. And using that notation that is handy when doing dimensional analysis, but it's certainly counterintuitive the rest of the time.
Well you really can't format the units correctly most of the time so it is fairly useful.
 
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Little to add, except that sometimes I have seen m.s-1 which clarifies the difference between that and per milisecond (ms)-1
 

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