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End Times

JP1283

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Okay, so I'm starting to get freaked out.

We're having record-breaking weather all over the place, we're having wars and rumours of wars, earthquakes, natural disasters like tsunamis, famines, nation rising against nation...everything that is said to be happen in the ET's is happening. How can I know that we're not in the End Times?
 
JP1283 said:
Okay, so I'm starting to get freaked out.

We're having record-breaking weather all over the place, we're having wars and rumours of wars, earthquakes, natural disasters like tsunamis, famines, nation rising against nation...everything that is said to be happen in the ET's is happening. How can I know that we're not in the End Times?
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You can't.

You can, however, take comfort in the fact that there's absolutely nothing exceptional about living in age with wars, rumours of wars, earthquakes, blah blah blah... Why is it that every generation contains its share of "This is it" kooks? Because every generation is just as fugged up as the last (and the next).
 
Listen to Marquis.

But know this... Things won't even get interesting until the Temple is rebuilt. Right now one the holiest mosques in all Islam is on the site. The dome of the rock. I was there in the 70s. It's really beautiful. Yards away on the other side of the West Wall, a structure dating from the time of the last temple, prayers continue day and night for the restoration of the Temple. Until the mosque is destroyed the Temple cannot be rebuilt. Endtime prophecy makes specific reference to the Temple.

In reality though, we all live in our own endtime. None of us knows when our moment comes. We're all better off not concerning oursellves with the end but rather the journey.
 
A very good point has been made here that deserves emphasis.

Every single era, every single age, has had "record-breaking weather all over the place, ...wars and rumours of wars, earthquakes, natural disasters like tsunamis, famines, nation rising against nation". It cannot be stressed enough - the current situation is no different from the situation 100 years ago, or 500 years ago, or 1000 years ago. All that has changed is better media coverage and greater population density.

If you really want to rest easy, consider this bit: that man shall never know the moment of Jesus' return. Basically, as long as someone lives who expects the return of Jesus, Jesus will not return. As nearly as I can figure, this means that Christians have been doing a marvelous job of keeping the world going by always having someone thinking He's about to return any second now.

Thank you, psychotic Christian fundies!
 
Every single moment we are blasted by news from all over the world. Everything that happens is immediately brought to the fore as newsworthy. My own server (Yahoo) even puts in the amount of time elapsed since the headline was current ( to the minute).

Are we really experiencing more of everything or are we being fed more of what has been happening for millenia?

I suspect that we are not in any type of crisis, be it weather, politics, or what have you. What used to take months if not years to reach our ears (and by then had lost its importance or relevance) now takes literally seconds.

How many people died from the sunami created when Krakatoa exploded? Do you even care? Me? Nope, but I was genuinely moved by the immediate coverage of the wave in Indonesia.
 
Ya know, every once in a great while, a large asteroid crosses the path of Earth's orbit and collides with it. The results are catastropic and have been linked to several mass extinctions as well as climatic changes (possibly even changes in Earth's axis of rotation and orbital velocity). Yet these events, called ELEs, being magnitudes more devastating than all of the current 'disasters' befalling us, did not end anything (the world that is).

It'll take quite a lot more than a few dozen trifling wars, global warming, earthquakes (which occur quite frequently at large magnitudes), and other supposedly newsworthy sound-bites to signify the End Times.

Talk to me about them when that one-mile diameter asteroid is plunging towards us.

ETA: I like that someone mentioned the 'thief in the night' schtick. If the return of Jesus and kingdom of God are supposed to happen unexpectedly, why is anybody expecting signs? By the way, the author of "Revelations" was most likely a raving loony. This is what too much revelations and too little contact with reality will do to you! ;)
 
The Don said:
The rapture index http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html is steady at 150. The all time high is 182
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Hey that's cool. I'm glad someone is keeping score.

Don't the false prophet and the antichrist lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days only to rise again from their head wounds?

And the Rapture hasn't happened so we've got more than 3.5 years to go til the end.

Have any of you got the mark of the beast tatooed on your forehead or hand?

It's really the earthquakes, famines, wars, and pestilences to watch out for - they'll get you long before a returning Jesus.

But the best tip I can give you is: Don't drink and drive. Failure to adhere to that rule increases the chances of 'meeting your maker' before you're ready.
 
Atlas said:

Don't the false prophet and the antichrist lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days only to rise again from their head wounds?
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The antichrist dies of a headwound. The false prophet brings him back. The dudes who lay dead in the street for three days are the two witnesses.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
The antichrist dies of a headwound. The false prophet brings him back. The dudes who lay dead in the street for three days are the two witnesses.
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You see there... I could've missed the signs completely. Thanks Marquis.

Does anyone know how many antichrist's there have been? The big ones I know, Nero and Hitler - Oh yah, and George Bush. But doesn't every generation get someone identified as evil incarnate?

Back in the 70s I read "The Late Great Planet Earth" and it had everything lined up. It sure looked like the end was right around the corner. It was a bestseller so it just about had to be right.

It might not have been in that book but the rumor was that the antichrist had been born in the Middle East some time ago and was waiting to make his appearence. It was all very scary.
 
Another "hit and run", I wonder, why does this people waste their time posting at all? If they want to argue, benvenute, but they dont want to. My guess is all they want is to cause doubts in the minds of skeptics :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: to make them "convert" to Christianism...
 
Hello,
I'm not a hit-and-runner. I post about the stuff I worry about, and I do it on a skeptic's forum to help me realize that my fears are baseless. Sorry, but that's what religion has done to me and I need help overcoming it. I eagerly await further responses to this thread. Thank you.

JP
 
Well, if it's the Biblical end times you're worried about, consider that it was supposed to happen during Jesus's generation. It didn't. Nor did it happen in the subsequent 199 generations.

How many times can a prediction be wrong and still be considered valid?
 
JP1283 said:
Hello,
I'm not a hit-and-runner. I post about the stuff I worry about, and I do it on a skeptic's forum to help me realize that my fears are baseless. Sorry, but that's what religion has done to me and I need help overcoming it. I eagerly await further responses to this thread. Thank you.

JP
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And, really, you should only be worried if a specific subset of Christians happen to be right--those damned Pre-Tribbers. If the Post-Tribbers are right, then the Christians get to suffer through everything with us. Watching Pre-Tribbers walking around with betrayed looks on their faces as they get stung by weird horse-shaped, man-headed, woman-haired, lion-teethed, scorpion-tailed locusts with iron breastplates* will be more than enough Schadenfreude to get over your own sufferings.

*No, I didn't make that crap up: Revelation 9:7-10
 
Atlas said:
Listen to Marquis.

But know this... Things won't even get interesting until the Temple is rebuilt. Right now one the holiest mosques in all Islam is on the site. The dome of the rock.
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Interesting. I wonder if something resembling the end times would follow if some nut-job attempted to remove the mosque in preparation for the temple?
 
Atlas said:
Until the mosque is destroyed the Temple cannot be rebuilt.
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Not necessarily...

About a year ago I read in some high-tech magazine (might have been WIRED) about a project being worked on by someone with Too Much Money to project a 3-D Temple, using lasers and some 3-D "screen" suspended from a hot-air balloon, in the air over the existing mosque.

Whether this will satisfy the Prophecy is, of course, up to Jehovah's discretion. But it does show that it's possible to have a Temple there again without first destroying the mosque.
 
Beleth said:

Whether this will satisfy the Prophecy is, of course, up to Jehovah's discretion. But it does show that it's possible to have a Temple there again without first destroying the mosque.
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Sure, take all the fun out of it, why don't ya?
 
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