Encountered my first "Truther" today

See wubby, this is where you and I differ. I think things through, and look at all the possible scenarios. You on the other hand look for the LEAST possible scenario, and go with that one.

Its the critical thinking that sets you and I apart.
 
WUBRINY63 said:
Red hasn't lied about anything that I can see. He definitely hasn't told any whoppers. What is your standard for believing in a whopper without any proof?
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Then you can point out where tri's story has been "exposed as a fabrication." If you can't, admit that RedIbis is a liar.

Just in case you don't understand this, you personally doubting the story does not mean that it was "exposed as a fabrication."
 
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dtugg said:
Then you can point out where tri's story has been "exposed as a fabrication." If you can't, admit that RedIbis is a liar.

Just in case you don't understand this, you personally doubting the story does not mean that it was "exposed as a fabrication."
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Nope. Tri can validate his whopper. I love this thread. Do you not get what Red has setup? You believe a story with no evidence. Even if it is proven to be true later on it is obvious that you and others have already committed to believing it because of who has presented it. He is one of you. That's all you needed. Are you a skeptic? Because that story was a whopper.
 
WUBRINY63 said:
Nope. Tri can validate his whopper. I love this thread. Do you not get what Red has setup? You believe a story with no evidence. Even if it is proven to be true later on it is obvious that you and others have already committed to believing it because of who has presented it. He is one of you. That's all you needed. Are you a skeptic? Because that story was a whopper.
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thats your opinion
which makes your post here absolutely stupid

red has set himself up to look like an idiot
thats it
 
Wubby,

My story fits in quite nicely with the sterotypical if not a-typical MO of the TM.

Now, with that in mind, most people tend to believe something if it has happened in the past. Ie: If a group of people are known for their hatred, saay, the KKK, and someone here (or anywhere for that matter) had told me a story that some KKK members called him the "N" word and threatened to hurt him, I would believe his story. Its commonly called "the per ponderous of evidence" in the legal field.

Now, can you prove that my experience, as has been provided, is a lie or false?
 
wait hold on i think i see a pattern

truther - "9/11 was undeniably an INSIDE JOB"
debunker - "please prove that"
truther - "cause we need a NEW INVESTIGATION!!!"
 
triforcharity said:
Wubby,

My story fits in quite nicely with the sterotypical if not a-typical MO of the TM.

Now, with that in mind, most people tend to believe something if it has happened in the past. Ie: If a group of people are known for their hatred, saay, the KKK, and someone here (or anywhere for that matter) had told me a story that some KKK members called him the "N" word and threatened to hurt him, I would believe his story. Its commonly called "the per ponderous of evidence" in the legal field.

Now, can you prove that my experience, as has been provided, is a lie or false?
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I think this is the most revealing post yet. Your story fits in nicely with what you think is stereotypical behavior, so you expected it to be accepted as fact.

The problem of course is that the details were not consistent, and as soon as you were asked to provide proof of your story, you were unable to do so. You even appeared to be contradicting yourself and basic judicial procedures here in Florida.

You were hoping that because something like this (although I've never heard of a story like this) happened before, it would be believed again. Where I would agree with you is that what you call evidence is indeed "ponderous", to say the least.
 
RedIbis said:
I think this is the most revealing post yet. Your story fits in nicely with what you think is stereotypical behavior, so you expected it to be accepted as fact.

The problem of course is that the details were not consistent, and as soon as you were asked to provide proof of your story, you were unable to do so. You even appeared to be contradicting yourself and basic judicial procedures here in Florida.

You were hoping that because something like this (although I've never heard of a story like this) happened before, it would be believed again. Where I would agree with you is that what you call evidence is indeed "ponderous", to say the least.
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Regardless, you still lied.
 
RedIbis said:
I think this is the most revealing post yet. Your story fits in nicely with what you think is stereotypical behavior, so you expected it to be accepted as fact.

The problem of course is that the details were not consistent, and as soon as you were asked to provide proof of your story, you were unable to do so. You even appeared to be contradicting yourself and basic judicial procedures here in Florida.

You were hoping that because something like this (although I've never heard of a story like this) happened before, it would be believed again. Where I would agree with you is that what you call evidence is indeed "ponderous", to say the least.
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So, Red, lets look at this very carefully.

It is VERY much like th truthers to be rude and disgusting. Just see some of Mark Roberts' videos. How about the one where the idiots ambush the lone firefighter DURING THE ******* memorial!!! How much more RUDE AND DISGUSTING can you get?? I guess they haven't (To my knowledge anyway) urinated on any of the memorials yet. That would be about as disgusting as one could possibly get.

Now, will you please point to anywhere in my posts where I havae directly contradicted myself?? Now, don't start on this BS about his age, because even when asked how old he was, I stated that I THOUGHT he was in his early 20's. This is not to be confused with I KNOW HE IS.

Now, as far as the whole bail thing goes. You are correct. I did make that mistake, and when called on it, I fully admitted that I was wrong on that. Something YOU cannot POSSIBLY do. EVER. Its beyond you.

You will NEVER admit that you are wrong. EVEN THOUGH everyone on here, minus HI aka Wubby, and of course your little crossdressing friend, ALL agree that you are a LIAR and its ben PROVEN!!

Sorry, I won't just post something on the internet that could get me in trouble. I have spoken to a lawyer, and to some other people here about my legal repercussions if I post his JUVIE arrest report on here. I won't just go and post it for all to see, then find out I am being sued in court. Sorry Sir, won't do it. It would be unethical and stupid, and could end up costing me alot of money, possibly even my job.
 
RedIbis said:
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The problem of course is that the details were not consistent, and as soon as you were asked to provide proof of your story, you were unable to do so. You even appeared to be contradicting yourself and basic judicial procedures here in Florida.
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You don't understand the judicial process, so this entire statement is worthless.

Plus, you should worry about your own credibility, stating his story was exposed as a fabrication without proof says it all.
 
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"tri's story has been exposed as a fabrication" - nope it hasnt sorry
"red has been exposed as a liar and wubby apparently has no morals or common sense" - proven

thank you for playing
 
triforcharity said:
So, Red, lets look at this very carefully.

It is VERY much like th truthers to be rude and disgusting. Just see some of Mark Roberts' videos. How about the one where the idiots ambush the lone firefighter DURING THE ******* memorial!!! How much more RUDE AND DISGUSTING can you get?? I guess they haven't (To my knowledge anyway) urinated on any of the memorials yet. That would be about as disgusting as one could possibly get.

Now, will you please point to anywhere in my posts where I havae directly contradicted myself?? Now, don't start on this BS about his age, because even when asked how old he was, I stated that I THOUGHT he was in his early 20's. This is not to be confused with I KNOW HE IS.

Now, as far as the whole bail thing goes. You are correct. I did make that mistake, and when called on it, I fully admitted that I was wrong on that. Something YOU cannot POSSIBLY do. EVER. Its beyond you.

You will NEVER admit that you are wrong. EVEN THOUGH everyone on here, minus HI aka Wubby, and of course your little crossdressing friend, ALL agree that you are a LIAR and its ben PROVEN!!

Sorry, I won't just post something on the internet that could get me in trouble. I have spoken to a lawyer, and to some other people here about my legal repercussions if I post his JUVIE arrest report on here. I won't just go and post it for all to see, then find out I am being sued in court. Sorry Sir, won't do it. It would be unethical and stupid, and could end up costing me alot of money, possibly even my job.
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Well, I think it's obvious, for one reason or another, that no support will ever be forthcoming. Like I said from my very first posts, I respect your desire for privacy, but I think this might prove a valuable lesson, that if you're not willing or able to provide proof of your initial story and all of its claims, you might not want to rabble up the crowd.

It might seem a trivial matter to most here, but this demonization of these fantasy twoofers in a fantasy twoof movement could prove somewhat dangerous eventually, and its best to stick with provable, documented cases of harassment. False imprisonment and other crimes are nothing to be taken lightly, and we needn't feed into violence fantasies unless you're working with something we can all see for ourselves is true and documented.

Seeing how the debunkers love semantic arguments so much, since there was no proof for the story, it was fabricated, constructed, manufactured. It was never substantiated, so it's nothing more than a fabrication posted on the internet. You'd think there would be a higher standard on a skeptic's forum.

Unless something specific develops, I'm done with this thread. The bottomfeeders can fight over the chum.
 
Roflmao.

Yes just like a twoof.

You make a claim through ignorance and then dance around when it is pointed out to you. You have repeatedly IGNORED requests to support your assertion and your assumption.

Where has it been "exposed as a fabrication?" It is a real simple question red.

The fact that YOU don't believe it is rather evident, but it does not "expose" the story as a "fabrication."

So all you really did was to further prove that you are an intellecutally dishonest individual. JUST LIKE A TWOOF.

Thank you so much for all of your BS and handwaving... now run away.
 
Justin39640 said:
other than that
its a story not a scientific argument
you dont seem able to comprehend the difference
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My whole thing is... encounters like these aren't just limited to people in the truth movement. Anyone is capable of harassing another person, and this case happens to include a member or supporter of conspiracy theories or the troof movement. Red seems to question if an encounter like this could happen at all. Not to mention he's started msking up his own unofficial standards for how the legal system works... apparently updates in an ongoing tril are inconsistencies.

Red's free to give any opinion he wants, but as far as what he says in this thread that's all it is -- opinion
 
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Some posts moved to AAH.

Keep it civil from now on please.

And do not make sock puppet accusations in threads.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Gaspode
 
triforcharity said:
I was speaking to a friend of mine, who happens to be a lawyer, and he said it would be ill-advised to release the unsanitized report to anyone, as juvie cases are not subject to FOIA, and I could end up in some legal trouble if this was released. Especially because he will have a "withhold adjudication" and the judge has already agreed to a sealed record.
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When you say "agreed to a sealed record", what exactly do you mean? In Florida, juvenile records are not automatically sealed. More importantly, this kid is still on probation - if I'm not mistaken, he can't even apply to have his record sealed right now.

Either way - sealed record or not - if you don't feel comfortable sharing a redacted court document, I completely understand & respect your decision.

Thankfully, we have an alternative to the court document: since this kid was initially arrested for a third-degree felony (as a juvenile), his original arrest report should already be available to the public, along with his name, address, and photo (see section 985.04(2), Florida Statutes).

Would you be willing to share a copy of the arrest report, with names/addresses/photos redacted (for your own privacy)?
 
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