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EMF Radiation Neutralizer

There isn't even a trick to it. The demonstrator can simply pretend not to "be able" to push down the arm when he wants to.

Hans
It's pretty easy for the subject to notice if the demonstrator is only pretending not to be able to push the arm down. For example, if you think the demonstrator is just pretending to push your arm, drop your arm by your side as the demonstrator pretends to exert force. They'll look pretty damn silly. No, there are tricks to use - applying actual force, but in a way that fools the subject's body into thinking it's being done in a different way.

Applied kinesiology is a little more sophisticated than just pretending.
 
Pushing down with a loose grip and intentionally failing to push down with a tighter grip will feel about the same. Of course, it's much easier to just pick a stooge or an obviously credulous volunteer.
 
OK, I have some time, so let me explain why I think this is worthy of nothing but ridicule:

Basically, it's a circular Mylar sticker that, they claim, when put on the back of your cell phone, will "block the harmful radiation from damaging your brain cells and DNA".
*snip*
The claim is is that inside this paper-thin sticker are Earth elements that will not block, but neutralize EMF radiation and that this radiation can cause damage to your brain and all sorts of other ailments.

You cannot "neutralize" EMF waves without blocking them. If you block the EMF waves from your cell-phone (you could do this by wrapping it in tin foil), you will loose your connection, so you might as well turn it off (which would really neutralize the radiation ;)). Worse still, if you partially block the radiation, the cellphone, trying to maintain connection, will actually step up its transmitting power, so at best, you have the same radiation. At worst, it is higher.

The company is founded by some MLM people and the designer of the product is some quack homeopath who's a supposed expert on neutralizing radiation.

Do you have a name? (Not Roger Coghill, I hope)

The second product is a 4" X 4" pillow that sells for about $80 which is supoosedly the little sticker on steroids. More on that later. Their third product is a little plug you put into an electrical outlet in your home and will "neutralize harmful radiation within a 4,000 sq. ft. range." OK.

No, not OK. EM waves move in straight lines (except in a star class gravity field). There is no way you can bend or block them, except by getting in their path. You can have no divice which will suck up EMF from its vicinity (if you could, they would sell like hot donuts, all over the place).

So this is the reason I say there is no need to test. It is an obvious scam. To work, it would need an entirely different set of physical laws.

"A study was done shows that there is a possibility that EMF radiation from cell phones may cause brain tumors." So, to the lay-person in need of a new bandwagon, that translates to "A study concluded that cell phones cause cancer."

Exactly. When in fact multible studies have been conducted on this, and the results remain inconclusive. Even this may indicate to some that there might be something, but what it really tells us is that it is very unlikely, and if there is an effect, it is so low that we are not able to measure it.

- Their main product is this little, 1" diameter mylar sticker. Their claim is that cell phones put out so much electro-magnetic radiation that it screws up your brain.

And that is exactly what a lot of studies have been unable to show.

Headsets are even worse.

A straight lie. Headsets (wireless, I presume) have an output power at least one order of magnitude lower than that of a cell-phone.

so by adhering this sticker on the back of your phone, it doesn't block the radiation, it "neutralizes" it. They never went into a detailed explanation as to what this was, but that's the claim they made repeatedly.

Impossible: This kind of radiation is extremely 'clean' spectrum-wise, and there are no parts of it you can filter away without actually blocking it. (It is not like sunlight, where you can filter out the UV part)

Supposedly it works in a 3' radius from the phone, so even people you might be standing next to in an elevator are safe when this little disk is nearby.

Impossible. This would violate the laws of physics.

- The sticker also blocks harful EMF radiation from other devices. They seemed to focus a lot on microwave ovens for some reason and they made a claim that some unknown research team did a study on EMF radiation on microwaves and the best product they could find to date could only block 50% of them. This little sticker could block up to 90%.

A simple aluminum plate can block 90% of the radiation from a source, but only in the area where the plate is directly between the source of the radiation and you (and even then only for a short distance behind it).

- Another claim was that electronics in general produce harmful levels of EMF radiation and that these little stickers solved that problem. Other devices they focused on were electric stoves and computer mice. They went on to say that most wrist ailments such are nothing more than EMF poisoning and that this disk will cure it.

Well, as long as you are making outrageous claims, why not go all the way? Why didn't they claim it could protect you gainst lightning? :dio:

- Simply by placing this little disk near some non-organic fruit for about 15 minutes, it would turn it into organic fruit. The audience cheered at this one.

Yes, and it can turn water into wine! :cool:

- The way the device works is that there is a thin layer of film on the top of the disk, followed by 3 layers of a "rare-earth, paramagnetic mineral" which neutralizes bad EMF radiation. They actually gave me one of these sickers and I could see no evidence that there were 3 layers of anything inside. It just looks like a mylar stiker.

It doesn't matter what is in it or not. There is nothing that can do what they claim (except magic, of course).:rolleyes:

- The sticker could help detox damaged DNA caused by EMF radiation.

And prevent hurricanes! Was there a hurricane in the room? No? Well, that's your proof! :p

So what do you guys think of all this?

They are deliberate frauds and liars. Even if they don't understand the physics part, all their "tests" are rigged, and they know it.

I really think you should not accept money from these guys, because that money ultimately comes from scamming some people.

Hans
 
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It's worth considering that if this actually worked, it would be extremely illegal.

If they could sort of "suck up" radiation, the profit potential would be outrageous. Just think if the military applications: Stealth aircraft, communication countermeasures. And civilian: Do you realize the expenses that could be saved on EMC measures, all over the electronic industy?

If they could do this, they would not be having sales meetings. They would be sittin in a comfortable mansion somewhere nice, while customers were standing in line, outside.

Hans
 
Do you have a name? (Not Roger Coghill, I hope)

The person who is the inventor of the disk is Kim Dandurand. Should I list the actual company name here? I'm not sure if outing like that is allowed in the forums. It seems as though his name has been associated with this product concept for some time. I just Googled him and found an interesting article about a test that was done with his device back in 2007. It was not a major test, but still it came back as being a failure on his part to prove that this sticker did anything.

iigwest.com/investigations/aulterra/2006_aulterra.html

One other thing I believe is worthy of mentioning. They are saying that they are in the process this month of launching an updated version of their product which is (depending on who you ask in the company) between 100X and 1000X more powerful than the last mylar sticker. Of course, everyone cheered when they said this but they didn't go into any specifics as to why it was more powerful, what it did better, etc.

Some of the members gave me some of their new $10 stickers as a gift. I think I'm going to dissect one this morning and see if I can find any layers of "rare earth elements" inside. I might not be able to report my findings as I'll be a little busy with my other two activities today...throwing a lasso around the unicorn in my backyard and retrieving the gold from Eldorado.
 
I'm still trying to work out why they put the mylar disc on the back of the phone.

I have to disagree with MRC Hans on one thing here-
MRC Hans said:
It is complete and unadulterated bollocks.
You should not work for them.
Hans

It is indeed complete and unadulterated bollocks.
Take them for every cent you can squeeze.
 
Since the name has already been outed, the FAQ may be of interest:

http://www.aulterra.com/customer_service/show_help/43

I LOL'd,

"In terms of absorption, any device, which genuinely absorbed EMF would, by very definition, at some point become saturated and would no longer function."

"The Aulterra Neutralizer retunes the EMF frequencies of electronic devices like cell phones and computers to transmute the energy so it no longer causes harm to the body's DNA. The secret of the Neutralizer lies in the crystalline matrix mixed into the ink of the Neutralizer patch."

And elsewhere "Aulterra is a homeopathically activated combination of natural paramagnetic and diamagnetic elements which neutralize the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA."

So the sticker has ink printed on it that contains a homeopathic preparation of elements ... so you won't find any rare earth elements or anything like that.
 
The Amazon reviews are also fun:

http://www.amazon.com/Aulterra-EMF-Neutralizer-Protection-Computer/product-reviews/B0006GRNGW/

Soon after I attached on of these stickers to my cell phone, I began receiving unwanted calls, mostly 'restricted' or 'unavailable', at least 35 calls in one day. I took the sticker off my phone and quit receiving these calls.

Would be great on its own, but the reply is pure (from what I can tell, totally unintentional) gold:

I believe that's what we call a coincidence. There is no freaking way that a sticker on your phone will cause random numbers to call you.
 
I'm late to the party, but might I point something out?

"EMF waves" should be a clear indicator that somebody is talking out their posterior. "EM waves" would be OK (and EM radiation even better), but EMF stands for what? ElectroMagnetic Frequency? All electromagnetic radiation has a frequency, as do sound waves and various other things. EMF in electronics usually stands for ElectroMotive Force, but that's clearly not intended. Or ElectroMagnetic Field, but that doesn't fit, either.
 
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I just went through some of their slides. Here are some things they said in the presentation:

"Studies have shown that exposure to cell phone radiation is associated with a wide range of health conditions"
- Headaches
- Fatigue
- Memory Loss
- Sleep Disorders
- Cardiovascular stress
- Hyperactivity


When discussing the product itself:

"Dr. David O. Carpenter, a Public Health Physician trained at the Harvard Medical School and Director of Institute for Health and the Environment at the University of Albany New York believes it is likely that up to 30% of all childhood cancers come from exposures to EMFs."

Notice the vagueness of these statements? "Studies have shown" or "up to 30%", etc.?
 
I have to comment on this...

"In terms of absorption, any device, which genuinely absorbed EMF would, by very definition, at some point become saturated and would no longer function."

False. Items which absorb EM radiation (such as a Faraday cage) simply convert the energy to heat. They never become saturated and stop functioning.

"The Aulterra Neutralizer retunes the EMF frequencies of electronic devices like cell phones and computers to transmute the energy so it no longer causes harm to the body's DNA. The secret of the Neutralizer lies in the crystalline matrix mixed into the ink of the Neutralizer patch."

In other words it does nothing. These devices emit EM radiation in the microwave region, and microwave radiation does not harm DNA.

And elsewhere "Aulterra is a homeopathically activated combination of natural paramagnetic and diamagnetic elements which neutralize the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA."

Ahh. Homeopathic. So if they could demonstrate that it works, they'd definitely be able to win the million dollar challenge. And a Nobel prize in physics.
 
The person who is the inventor of the disk is Kim Dandurand.

Never heard of him. Only interested to see if it was an old "friend". ;)

They are saying that they are in the process this month of launching an updated version of their product which is (depending on who you ask in the company) between 100X and 1000X more powerful than the last mylar sticker.

And 1000 x 0 = :rolleyes:


Some of the members gave me some of their new $10 stickers as a gift. I think I'm going to dissect one this morning and see if I can find any layers of "rare earth elements" inside. I might not be able to report my findings as I'll be a little busy with my other two activities today...throwing a lasso around the unicorn in my backyard and retrieving the gold from Eldorado.

Doesn't matter what is in it. Nothing can do wnat they advertise.

Catch a unicorn? Are you a virgin? -Otherwise forget about that.

Hans
 
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I'm still trying to work out why they put the mylar disc on the back of the phone.

I have to disagree with MRC Hans on one thing here-


It is indeed complete and unadulterated bollocks.
Take them for every cent you can squeeze.

If you help them publish their meeting (pictures) you are helping them to scam people, and you are taking money that were scaammed from others.

Hans
 
"In terms of absorption, any device, which genuinely absorbed EMF would, by very definition, at some point become saturated and would no longer function."

More bollocks. Substances which do absorb EMV simply dissipate the energy as heat.

"The Aulterra Neutralizer retunes the EMF frequencies of electronic devices like cell phones and computers to transmute the energy so it no longer causes harm to the body's DNA. The secret of the Neutralizer lies in the crystalline matrix mixed into the ink of the Neutralizer patch."

I can't help wondering how people like that sleep at night.

And elsewhere "Aulterra is a homeopathically activated combination of natural paramagnetic and diamagnetic elements which neutralize the effect of man-made EMF exposure on human DNA."

I have a certain evil statisfaction in seeing the term homeopathic being abused by other svindlers. There is some sort of justice in that. :D

Hans
 
I made an EMF blocker of my own for this guitar. It's basically a Faraday cage and consists of copper tape with a conductive adhesive.. It's grounded so that the excess charge goes to ground. It greatly reduces interference from things like florescent lights, CRT monitors, badly shielded building wiring, etc. The stuff described in the OP doesn't sound anything like this real device.

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You should not work for them.
gambling_cruiser said:
Shotbyadam, all three products are crap and selling them is fraud.
SBA is NOT selling their product -- he's selling his services as a photographer/videographer. I'm an atheist, yet you will find that I've worked on several "religious" videos and shorts, either as director or director of photography. My interest began and ended with "can I do the job competently and reliably, is the renumeration (monetary and otherwise) worth the effort I'm putting into this, and will this cause any real or immediate threat to others?" In the case of the videos, the answer to the first two was Yes, and the third was No. So I did it, and did it to the best of my ability. However, you won't catch me doing skinhead videos that advance the idea of going out and killing Mud People, Jews, and Mary-worshippers.

My only concern for SBA is that he's exposing himself to possible legal repercussions by talking about the product in a semi-public forum. If it had been me, I'd have delivered the footage, collected my cash, and kept my mouth shut about the whole thing. Sure, the people at the meeting are being taken for a ride. They might actually learn something from the experience. Money will be "lost." But I see no reasonable expectation of immediate harm coming from their involvement.

Note: I don't consider the possibility of some fool covering their infant child with the $10 stickers and placing them in a microwave at High for ten minutes as likely, so that's why I said reasonable expectation of immediate harm.

I think SBA's involvement is at best peripheral, and hope the shots he delivered were exactly what the customer wanted. The fact that several attendees gave him their sample stickers on the way out suggests that not everyone bought into the load of codswallop being presented. You might as well gripe about the facility that rented them the room for the meeting. They're equally culpable, which is to say not at all.

Beanbag
 
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I made an EMF blocker of my own for this guitar. It's basically a Faraday cage and consists of copper tape with a conductive adhesive.. It's grounded so that the excess charge goes to ground. It greatly reduces interference from things like florescent lights, CRT monitors, badly shielded building wiring, etc. The stuff described in the OP doesn't sound anything like this real device.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k490/FosterZygote/DSC01991.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k490/FosterZygote/DSC01992.jpg
Nice axe. If the so-called mylar stickers are metalized, then they're essentially the same thing, just with a pretty logo and probably without the conductive adhesive.

On that note, if you were to take a low-wattage soldering iron and some low-temp solder (60/40 Pb/Sn) and make a couple tack-solder joints where the copper tape overlaps on the faceplate, it will help improve the shielding. The adhesive, while conductive, still has a higher resistance than a direct metal-to-metal joint. You don't have to solder the entire overlap, just a small dot here and there, nothing too big or you'll melt the plastic.

Beanbag
 

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