Elvis And Religion

DOC said:
empty non-informative attack the messenger post #105 and counting.
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DOC, may I assume that your rapid reply to Hokulele, but lack of reply to my question is an indication that you are delaying a response until you have developed a well reasoned rebuttal?
 
Hokulele said:
How is it non-informative? I informed you of the proper way to acknowledge corrections. The fact that you take this to be an attack speaks volumes reagrding your arrogance.
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I've admitted to mistakes at least 3 times, yet you imply that I never have. Your latest attack the messenger post was just a derail of the topic we were discussing.
 
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DOC said:
I've admitted to mistakes at least 3 times, yet you imply that I never have.
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Interesting because you've made many many more than that.

DOC said:
Your latest attack the messenger post was just a derail of the topic we were discussing.
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Oh drop the indignant act troll. You're the one derailing the topic by bitching about her comment rather than actually replying to joobz.

Crap or get off the pot DOC.
 
Hokulele said:
Please show me the posts where you have admitted to 3 mistakes.
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Here we go again, will you agree to apologize if I bring in the 3 times I've admitted to making mistakes.
 
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DOC said:
Here we go again, will you agree to apologize if I bring in the 3 times I've admitted to making mistakes.
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I would like to try to bring this thread back to the discussion of Elvlis and religion.

you had originally said
He[elvis] was just so choked by the thorns (fame and wealth) as Christ referred to them that he never reached his full potential in Christ. He did give a lot of people happiness though with his God given gift.
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Then I replied
But others live with those "thorns" and leave good christian lives. Why did god allow him to be choked by them? Especially sinice he was doing god's work? Isn't the message there that no matter what you do, god will leave you high and dry?


And How do you explain the rich and famous* (those living in thorns) who do wonderful chartiable work without any christian influence? They lead enriching lives and work to enrich the lives of others. They seem to embody the ideals that christian claim to aspire to yet so often fail. The fact that they acheived such good seems to completely contradict the claim that jesus is "the way". Seems to me that there must be some other "seed" that produces a plant more wholesome and lifegiving that what christianity offers.

Examples include
*Brad and Angelina
and the two greatest philanthropists in american history are the atheistsagnostics
Bill gates and Warren Buffet
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Considering now that you agree that these examples are, Indeed, non-christian, and do not believe in any god. How do you address my point?
 
Six frickin' pages of pasture pizza based on DOC's OP. Amazing. Stunning. Shock and awe.

DOC, I'd like to thank you for participating in these here fora. If you didn't exist, we'd have to invent you just to keep the pot boiling. Your servce to God, JREF, Elvis and unbridled stupidity is second to none.












Well, OK, One-Inch-Christ might still hold top billing.
 
Originally Posted by DOC
Here we go again, will you agree to apologize if I bring in the 3 times I've admitted to making mistakes.



Hokulele said:
Only if you also admit to debating dishonestly. Deal?
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Translation:

I have no problem attacking Doc, but just don't ask me to back it up with an apology if I'm wrong.

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Come to think of it, didn't you just praise joobz for owning up to a mistake. Joobz didn't ask "for conditions" to admit making an inaccurate statement.
 
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DOC said:
Originally Posted by DOC
Here we go again, will you agree to apologize if I bring in the 3 times I've admitted to making mistakes.

Translation:

I have no problem attacking Doc, but just don't ask me to back it up with an apology if I'm wrong.
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Translation:

I cannot admit that I debate dishonestly, such as refusing to read posts that demolish my position, for to do so would shred what little self-esteem I have left.

Come to think of it didn't you just praise joobz for owning up to a mistake
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Of course I praised him. He did it immediately following your correction, and I am sure he will not bring up that as a point of debate again.

You on the other hand . . .
 
Wow,
I have to admire that you guys have managed to go at this one for 6 pages.
Pins and angels spring to mind. :D

BTW. No disrespect to Elvis.... uh-huh-HUH
 
joobz said:
DOC, may I assume that your rapid reply to Hokulele, but lack of reply to my question is an indication that you are delaying a response until you have developed a well reasoned rebuttal?
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Yes, you may assume that. I will respond at my leisure.
 
DOC said:
empty non-informative attack the messenger post #105 and counting.
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No, what Hokulele did was to point out proper behavior, in a naive hope that you'd learn.

What I'm about to do is an empty non-informative attack on you.

Moron.

See the difference?
DOC, this is what you are supposed to do when you get something wrong. Not deny it and post the same nonsense hoping everyone has forgotten your mistakes and outright dishonesty.
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Moron
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Get it? Jackass.
 
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DOC said:
Yes, you may assume that. I will respond at my leisure.
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Well, I wait with interest to hear your response.

It seems that as a person who very much presents a "christ is the way" view, I would love to hear how you reconcile the fact that our biggest philantropists are indeed non-christian. Even further, they don't hold to any religion or notion of god.

As such, the conclusion is religion(in particular christinaity) is not required for someone to be good.
 
joobz said:
Well, I wait with interest to hear your response.

It seems that as a person who very much presents a "christ is the way" view, I would love to hear how you reconcile the fact that our biggest philantropists are indeed non-christian. Even further, they don't hold to any religion or notion of god.

As such, the conclusion is religion(in particular christinaity) is not required for someone to be good.
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Giving money does not necessarily guarantee one is a good person. It is no secret that Microsoft spends a lot of time in court from being sued by several companies concerning questionable business practices. While Gates seems like a decent guy on the surface, I get the impression that his company does not always play by the rules which hurts other businesses.

Also, you have to look at how much of a sacrifice the money given is. When you have 44 billion in assets left after giving 8 billion one could argue that the sacrifice is not that great and if he was a Christian the amount given could have been much higher.

Also, you have to look at where the money is going. There has been criticism a substantial portion of the money given is going to companies whose social concern standards are questionable. Also the money given is very tilted to tech and medical companies which doesn't always help those in most need.

Here is a site that says some of the money given to Medical Industries is even potentially harmful

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=10101

And here is a site that talks about a Los Angeles Times article entitled:

Dark cloud over good works of Gates Foundation: By Charles Piller, Edmund Sanders and Robyn Dixon, Times Staff Writers
January 7, 2007

"Using the most recent data available, a Times tally showed that hundreds of Gates Foundation investments — totaling at least $8.7 billion, or 41% of its assets, not including U.S. and foreign government securities — have been in companies that countered the foundation's charitable goals or socially concerned philosophy."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?page=2&coll=
 
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Southwind17 said:
I think DOC might be just trolling here, given the absence of any direction in the OP. It's at least provocative though, and, in my opinion, worthy of discussion, not because it's Elvis, but because of the relationship between religion and revered people/icons.

I suspect you're a bit of an Elvis fan and, as such, would rather the matter be quietly disregarded. That's understandable, but not a good reason to dismiss it.

If you wish to be excused from this particular class that's OK with me.
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Wow, I only just saw this so sorry for the delay...

No. Not a fan of elvis at all actually, never have been. His style of music really isn't my taste.

And it's not that I think his religiousness (is that a word?) should be disregarded... I just don't care very much. I mean, I care in a general sense that it interests me how any person manages to be religious. But that Elvis specifically is religious? Well so what? Like I said, my neighbour is religious but you don't see me starting threads about it.

Really I see this thread as no different to people who talk about Britney's political views or Tom Cruise's opinion of racism. Politics is interesting, racism is interesting, but a singer or actor's opinions thereof are not, at least not to me.

I just don't really get why anybody would care.
 
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