Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Particularly special given Vixen's own claims for more tenuous descent from a group of people renowned throughout Europe for being more inbred than the average city dweller.
 
Vixen said:
Being 'raven-haired' means nothing. Lots of Irish are naturally raven-haired, without being Native American.

My American friend believes she has Native American in her family because of raven-hairedness, yet it doesn't stop them having a Confederate flag on the lawn and seeing themselves as all -American Bible-belt regular guys.

No way would she ever put a tick in the box as an ethnic minority and no, she is not 'ashamed' of her hypothetical NA phenotype.

What does 'cousin' mean here anyway? First, second, third, once, twice removed? We don't know if Mapes' father is related to Warren by blood or by marriage.
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Double second cousin. And yes, we do.


Mapes, a mother of four who volunteers in a clothing bank, is a second cousin to US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren. The two women, who have never met, share more DNA than most second cousins: Not only were their grandmothers sisters, their grandfathers were brothers. Those brothers — a team of carpenters named Harry and Everett Reed who plied their trade in the Indian Territory that would become the state of Oklahoma — are believed by some family members to have roots in the Delaware tribe. Mapes, who said she was unaware of her cousin’s candidacy until contacted by a reporter, said she does not doubt her heritage.
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(Boston Globe)

Reed is Warren's mother's maiden name (Pauline Reed). Harry Reed is Pauline's father.

Here is a picture of Harry Gunn Reed. Sure looks like he may have some NA ancestry to me.


 
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Stacyhs said:
A first name my father got out of a novel he was reading during a long flight that had nothing to do with my ancestry. My maiden name is from my father's adopted father. They do not reflect my "culture".

Until DNA testing, most Americans only had a very vague knowledge of their ancestry beyond their grandparents or perhaps great-grandparents.

Have I referred to myself as those? Yep. I say I'm a hodgepodge of all the above.

What do you think Warren should have been named instead of Elizabeth? Adsila? Immookalee? Tsistunagiska?
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Exactly. She is not Native American by ethnicity, except for a party talking point of having 1% NA DNA.

Of course your father's adopted name is cultural. An adopted child has a right to consider himself one of the family and in many European countries, anyway, has the same rights of inheritance as his natural siblings.

Imagine you were rescued from a poor country in Africa by Madonna as a baby. Yes, you can call yourself an Italian American if she fed you on pasta and got you speaking the lingo.

Ethnicity is mainly cultural. Looks and appearances are purely secondary.

So, looking like an Italian, say, doesn't mean you can tick the box for 'Italian'.

Warren and her mother don't even look Native American. Zero culture, trace DNA, which I am sure is very fascinating.
 
LSSBB said:
My last name is a very common Welsh last name. And as a brother who traced our ancestors back to the middle of the 19th century found out, and took a DNA test to check, it appears to have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my ancestry, because at a certain point we don't match our family name forebears.

My Mom's side is much clearer, however it's a mishmash of German, Scottish, and I think French.

My culture is American.
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So there you are then. Not an ethnic minority.
 
jimbob said:
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Particularly special given Vixen's own claims for more tenuous descent from a group of people renowned throughout Europe for being more inbred than the average city dweller.
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As far as I am concerned, I was dragged off to the sauna as soon as I could walk; fed on a hearty peasant fare of porridge, peas, turnips, potatoes, herrings (in all different forms, salted, marinaded, roll mopped|), salmon, pike and perch, hocks of ham, cheeses, cultured milk, including piima and viili, rock hard rye bread - none of the latter three you can find anywhere in England except at the Seaman's Mission. Christmas Eve was gingerbread, candles, ham and a baked swede/turnip mash and present opening time. Lent was mämmi and simä.

My aunt used to send over these thick thermal vests with suspenders to hold up thick woolly stockings. How my English schoolfriends mocked, when one year she sent over some creatively designed multicoloured stockings; other children laughed at me in the street shouting, 'snake legs' after me. Then the shame and embarrassment when they discovered I was wearing suspenders aged seven or eight (which hung from the said vest). Obviously I was dressed for an extremely cold country which the other kids found hilarious. (But hey, at least I was warm.)

I could correctly tick the ethnic box (notwithstanding having full nationality anyway) simply by culture alone, and discriminated against, as they tried to ban me from speaking the language, and having a clear ancestry which most people in the specific region would have thanks to geography and history. And yes, I could even claim noble 'heritage' if I wanted to, thanks to the rich fertile farmland handed down from my forebears and being related to half the nobles buried in the local cathedral despite being very ordinary otherwise.

That part of my heritage is thanks to the medieval knights making it a right for their descendants to inherit, as a matter of law.
 
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dudalb said:
ANd I maintain that unemployment levels alone are NOT a good indicator of how strong an economy really is. That actual wages are if anything decresing should be a matter of concern.
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Part of Trumps genius. Once you have Third World wages and no taxes on business or the rich those manufacturing jobs will come flooding back.
 
smartcooky said:
And you know this because?



Utter rubbish.

I have French Huguenot heritage. The only reason I know this because that is a story that my great-grand father, my grandfather and my father handed down to me. That my DNA testing supports this story gives me considerable confidence that they were right.

However, we have not retained a single bit of Hugenot culture in our family.

Some people care about their family history, some people don't
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My mother is Czech. I know very little about the culture. My son knows close to nothing.
 
phiwum said:
My mother is Czech. I know very little about the culture. My son knows close to nothing.
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What we know about my family is that it's pretty much a mix of German, Irish, and Italian. The Italian bit of my heritage is all but disappeared. None of us identify with it at all, there's nothing in any of our names, etc. Looking at us, the only reason you would know about it is because my Great Grandmother on my mom's side had an Italian sounding name. A family member did in depth family history (literally wrote a book on it) on my mom's side of the family that notes when the Italian part of the family came to the US. Modern day family shows no remaining Italian influence that I can think of.

We primarily identify with the Irish heritage with the remnants of the German influence being more easily attributed to regional eastern PA stuff rather than identifying with German immigrants.
 
That decision to check a box on a Minority Faculty Directory information card, knowing that it is used primarily for minority recruitment, is not one that you or I would make.

That is her biggest mistake.

All the 1% or Maybe 1% stuff is not the problem here.
 
Drewbot said:
That decision to check a box on a Minority Faculty Directory information card, knowing that it is used primarily for minority recruitment, is not one that you or I would make.

That is her biggest mistake.

All the 1% or Maybe 1% stuff is not the problem here.
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Why would information gathered after she was hired have any bearing on recruiting her for the position she already has? If that information was primarily for recruitment purposes, why wasn't it sought before the recruitment?
 
I'm really excited that this thread is active again.

I think it is a really good summary on how you can prove that someone was lying if you just assume everything they said is a lie and then make up facts to support that position and ignore facts that don't.

It also helps if you have no familiarity with the culture or the place in which the events took place, but make assertions of how things must have been based on your own culture. Honestly, I thought Americans, especially those from the rural edge of the PNW, had a corner on this market and it is refreshing to see it come from abroad.

As a canine friend of mine would say: fabulous thread. Thank you!
 
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