Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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theprestige said:
I was riffing on a proposal from the Kavanaugh thread, that products of an Ivy League education were not fit for public office. Brett and Barack both attended Yale.
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Where are you getting that Obama went to Yale? I'm not finding that.
 
acbytesla said:
Can someone say Clueless?

That IS EXACTLY an elopement. Next thing you'll be saying Amanda flew on a chartered 747.
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Especially since what I said was that our families referred to it as an elopement.

The only way to deny that phrase is to straight out call me a liar. :rolleyes:
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Especially since what I said was that our families referred to it as an elopement.

The only way to deny that phrase is to straight out call me a liar. :rolleyes:
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This is also something that most people don't understand. Dictionaries aren't authorities and words don't have fixed definitions. They only have usages. Ever notice that the dictionary will list multiple definitions for the same word and number them? They are listing or ranking the most common usage and that evolves over time. In fact, sometimes the original usage even disappears.

So when you say you eloped you are using the most common usage for the word today. But Vixen's definition strictly associated to getting married without parental approval isn't even supported historically.

If you examine the etymological roots of the word. It is derived from the word 'lope' which is associated with how animals run. 'Elope' first started to appear in literature in the early 1600s and the word elope simply meant to run away or escape. I looked it up in 3 printed dictionaries and multiple dictionaries online and not one of them even list Vixen's strict definition.

Only in Vixen's world does it strictly mean what she says it does.
 
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acbytesla said:
This is also something that most people don't understand. Dictionaries aren't authorities and words don't have fixed definitions. They only have usages. Ever notice that the dictionary will list multiple definitions for the same word and number them? They are listing or ranking the most common usage and that evolves over time. In fact, sometimes the original usage even disappears.
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Unfortunately now with the internet, words evolve over days rather than decades.
 
theprestige said:
I was riffing on a proposal from the Kavanaugh thread, that products of an Ivy League education were not fit for public office. Brett and Barack both attended Yale.
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Trump attended Penn. Last I checked it was a member of the Ivy League

16 Presidents attended Ivy league schools if you include post graduate degrees. Barack has degrees from two Ivy league schools. Columbia and Harvard. Not Yale. Does that make him twice as bad?
 
So, Vixen does not agree with the dictionary definition of elope. And now vixen thinks Warren is dishonest because she and her family used the common definition of elope, not Vixen's personal definition.

This harkens back to TBD defining "part" as "half" instead of just using the common definition of the word, especially in the context of ancestry.

Someone call Cain. He needs to up his game a bit.
 
Dr. Keith said:
So, Vixen does not agree with the dictionary definition of elope. And now vixen thinks Warren is dishonest because she and her family used the common definition of elope, not Vixen's personal definition.

This harkens back to TBD defining "part" as "half" instead of just using the common definition of the word, especially in the context of ancestry.

Someone call Cain. He needs to up his game a bit.
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Little did you know, vixen and TBD are the accounts Cain uses when he wants to really kick it up a notch.
 
Belz... said:
Unfortunately now with the internet, words evolve over days rather than decades.
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I think the Internet can create the impression that something has changed or evolved, even when it hasn't.

Urban Dictionary, for example, is an unvetted, uncurated repository. Anyone can post any definition they want, any time they want. Anyone else can endorse it, repeat it, cite it, etc. It's trivial to give the impression that a neologism has sprung up overnight, when the reality is it's just a bit of slang unique to one clique in one high school on the Lower West Side or whatever.
 
theprestige said:
I think the Internet can create the impression that something has changed or evolved, even when it hasn't.

Urban Dictionary, for example, is an unvetted, uncurated repository. Anyone can post any definition they want, any time they want. Anyone else can endorse it, repeat it, cite it, etc. It's trivial to give the impression that a neologism has sprung up overnight, when the reality is it's just a bit of slang unique to one clique in one high school on the Lower West Side or whatever.
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Yeah but look at terms like "fake news", which meant one thing in late fall 2016 and by early 2017 changed meaning. That keeps happening and it's hard to keep up.
 
theprestige said:
I think the Internet can create the impression that something has changed or evolved, even when it hasn't.

Urban Dictionary, for example, is an unvetted, uncurated repository. Anyone can post any definition they want, any time they want. Anyone else can endorse it, repeat it, cite it, etc. It's trivial to give the impression that a neologism has sprung up overnight, when the reality is it's just a bit of slang unique to one clique in one high school on the Lower West Side or whatever.
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Unvetted? Again, words don't have fixed definitions. Only usages. The urban dictionary is not something official and neither is Webster or the Oxford English Dictionary. It is only as authoritive as we as a society make it.

And FYI, a neologism is EXACTLY a word or expression that has sprung up over night.

That is the definition of neologism.

"A neologism is a relatively recent or isolated term, word, or phrase that may be in the process of entering common use, but that has not yet been fully accepted into mainstream language. Neologisms are often directly attributable to a specific person, publication, period, or event."
 
Vixen said:
I was all for Warren until I saw her gilding the lily with the 'elopement' story. All my BS detectors started clanging like crazy.
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Based on the available evidence , I'd say your BS detectors have been in the shop since about 2014.

"Well, Vixen finds it incredulous" isn't going to sell a lot of cereal, 'round here.
 
Vixen said:
I wouldn't call that eloping.

That's rather stretching credulity. A person in their forties 'eloping'...?

You are taking the mickey.
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I certainly didn't know about it until afterwards, and I'm her daughter. They were quite mad at me, I'd run off with a friend to an amusement park outing and they wanted us to stay home for some family time but didn't bother telling us why.
 
Frankly, it is not unlikely that anyone who descends from 10 generations of ancestors who were born in the U.S. has some Native American geneology. Trump is apparently an outlier in that respect. A "pure Aryan" whose ancestors never ventured away from the concentrated white people.

We're all mixed up over here. At this point, people should just get over the fact that Europeans did very bad things to the Native Americans hundreds of years ago, and just move on.
 
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Toontown said:
Frankly, it is not unlikely that anyone who descends from 10 generations of ancestors who were born in the U.S. has some Native American geneology. Trump is apparently an outlier in that respect. A "pure Aryan" whose ancestors never ventured away from the concentrated white people.

We're all mixed up over here. At this point, people should just get over the fact that Europeans did very bad things to the Native Americans hundreds of years ago, and just move on.
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Trump's paternal grandparents were German immigrants making his father "German" while Trump's mother was an immigrant from Scotland. There was virtually no chance that he'd have any NA ancestry.
 
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