Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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xjx388 said:
Go ‘Phins!
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Do people really say "Phins"?


Well, never mind. I also agreed with the rest of the post, about this whole thing being stupid.


I've criticized Warren for being "tone deaf" on this issue, but in some ways that's a compliment. Being out of touch with how the American people view an idiotic non-issue such as this is probably a good thing....but it won't get you elected president.
 
acbytesla said:
I want an explanation why you, Big Dog, Prestige, Brooklyn Baby etc and the people bashing Warren over this ABSOLUTELY ignore and dismiss Trump's dishonesty.

I want to understand what goes through the heads of people who feel the need to go after a woman who's whole career has been about helping others avoid the kind of fraud committed by banks and people like Trump. Why they care about something that doesn't appear to have hurt anyone. And at the same time they could give a **** when Trump lies to defraud students and others out of their money?

Where is the perspective? Seriously, please explain why this matters and Trump's non stop lying and fraud doesn't raise an eyebrow from you all.
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Thread topic: "Elizabeth Warren Ancestry"
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I've posted a link where she signed a her cousin's 5 tribes Pow Wow Chow cookbook recipe "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee". Your assertion that this is meaningless is just silly. I kept receiving challenges in here to find any reference to her claiming to be a Cherokee or a Native American and I provided both.
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Well so what? I signed all my friends' yearbooks at school with my name and "Cookie Bear" in brackets afterwards. Does that mean I was claiming to be a teddy bear?
 
Meadmaker said:
Do people really say "Phins"?

I also agreed with the rest of the post, about this whole thing being stupid.

I've criticized Warren for being "tone deaf" on this issue, but in some ways that's a compliment. Being out of touch with how the American people view an idiotic non-issue such as this is probably a good thing....but it won't get you elected president.
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Tone deaf? You mean like no one actually cares? I think Warren made a mistake of taking the DNA test. But thats because no one cares not even the people calling her racist names like Pocahontas.

She should just ignore it. This is a rookie mistake. Trump moves past his ridiculous mistakes by simply saying something else even more outrageous and disgusting. Warren can't do that. Hell, I'm not sure anyone else can. It shocks me that he gets away with it.

Warren doesn't seem to be as politically savvy as I hoped. But we are a long way away from the primaries.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
It's sure a good thing this thread is titled "Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread," otherwise someone might mistake it for one of the dozens of other Trump bashing threads.
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...and if you think about it for more than a few microseconds, you should be able to work out for yourself why that is!

However, I won't be holding my breath.....
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Thread topic: "Elizabeth Warren Ancestry"
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And my post was about that. It was about the perspective and proportionality of the posters who care about Warren saying she is part Native American. Why they care and make 30, 50 even a 150 posts about it as if it matters?

Tell me Slings and Arrows why it matters to you and why you don't care about Trump's lies?
 
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BrooklynBaby said:
"For every year between 1986 and 1995, Warren identified herself as “Native American” in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of law professors."

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...telling-you-about-elizabeth-warrens-dna-test/
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False. Good example of why Breitbart should seldom, if ever, be considered a credible source:

Given the association’s process of sending the form to new faculty, it is possible that Warren filled out that form three times: once in 1986 when she was at the University of Texas, in 1987 when she moved to the University of Pennsylvania, and a third time when she spent a year as visiting faculty at Harvard in 1992. In 1995, when she moved to Harvard, she no longer appears in the minority teacher list.
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/
 
Belz... said:
That's way worse than creating a fake university or separating kids from their parents. She should be hanged, drawn and quartered.
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Or designating potential renters in his apartment building as "colored" by having "C" written on their applications. It was just a coincidence that those same "unavailable" apartments suddenly became available when a white person applied.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I've posted a link where she signed a her cousin's 5 tribes Pow Wow Chow cookbook recipe "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee".
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I definitely have not looked into the ins and outs of her claims, but just have one comment. If you were contributing to a Native American cookbook, wouldn't it make sense that the recipe shared would be attributed to a certain tribe? Just as if you did a Middle European cookbook, you might say whether the recipe came from Poland or Hungary?

The cookbook thing sounds silly to me, but the cryptic yearbook entries in Kavanaugh's yearbook are just as ... silly? I don't know if that's the right word because a specific individual was named in a hurtful way. It's just many degrees of separation away from whether some is a good judge or a good senator.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I've posted a link to a Boston Globe report that she changed her status to Native American at two different colleges. So "ticking the box" wasn't just a mistake because she did it twice in different places at different times. She intentionally wanted them to think she was an Indian and not just a rich white woman.
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When I said 'ticking the box was a mistake' I didn't mean she accidentally ticked the wrong box. I meant it was a mistake to do it at all.
Why would they think she was a "rich white woman" when she wasn't rich and didn't come from a rich family? She grew up in a lower middle class family. I do so love it when a person doesn't know someone yet claims to know what s/he was thinking or what his/her intentions were.

Everyone knows her DNA does not prove she is a Cherokee or any of her ancestors were of any American Indian Tribe, and that distant ancestor could very will be from south of the border. It proves nothing meaningful in her assertion that she is part Cherokee. Just do a search on it because it was reported all over. The small percentage of the relevant DNA is not enough for her to make the claims she has made about being a Native American or a Cherokee, or even partially.
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That distant ancestor is highly unlikely to be from south of the border unless you can show that any of her ancestors married someone with an Hispanic last name. Seeing how people moved east to west during that time period, it's highly unlikely.

Dr. Bustamante disagrees with you regarding her having Native American ancestry:

“the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor” six to 10 generations ago"

Hmmm...now who are we to believe? The genetics expert or BrooklynBaby?


Here's a link that shows her DNA was compared to samples from Mexico, Columbia, and Peru -- not Native Americans.
That's because N. American Natives have not participated in genetic studies giving geneticists enough data. But NA genes have similar markers no matter whether they are from Alaska or South America. Unless you think some pure Indian (unadmixed) from Mexico or S. America made his/her way up to where Warren's family was living 150 years ago, it's far, far more likely that ancestor is from that area.

The Cherokee Nation says DNA can't prove she is Cherokee and she has nothing she has produced nothing to change that.[/QUOTE]

DNA can't prove ANY tribal affiliation. But the DNA test does prove she has Native American ancestry. Whether it's Cherokee or Delaware or Creek or Sequoia doesn't really matter as she has never claimed to be an actual member of a tribe. She has only ever claimed what her family told her growing up.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Oh, and to whoever it was who responded to every line in one of my posts, I don't ever respond to those or even read them, whether they are addressed to me or anyone else.
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That sounds very strange to me. If you're being rebutted, wouldn't you want to evaluate the argument claim by claim? That's supposed to be one of the foundations of this forum. Ignoring counterarguments sounds ... counterproductive.

ETA: I've made a serious mistake. It's counterproductive if the aim of argument is to discern truth. If the agenda is to repeat lies over and over again, it's very productive.
 
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Trump, as usual, is tweeting lies:

Now that her claims of being of Indian heritage have turned out to be a scam and a lie, Elizabeth Warren should apologize for perpetrating this fraud against the American Public. Harvard called her “a person of color” (amazing con), and would not have taken her otherwise!
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The DNA test highly supports Warren's claim of having Indian ancestry (Warren never said "heritage" but I doubt Trump knows the difference between ancestry and heritage.) There was no scam and no lie.

I find it hysterical that Trump should call anyone else out for lying, scamming, and being a fraud. Oh, the sweet irony! Trump University?

As for Harvard not hiring her:

Warren first listed her ethnicity as Native American nearly five months after she started her tenured position at Harvard and 2½ years after she was there as a visiting professor and first offered the job,
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html
 
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