Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[The Big Dog]

TBD, the challenge was to take one of the swab tests. She did, and it substantially confirmed what she was told by her mother.

Arguing now that the test is not accurate enough is textbook moving the goalposts.

who sees the problem here?

 

[kookbreaker]

The tribal regulation is irrelevant. A rule that an elephant is a duck does not make it so.

Warren also never applied to be in a tribe, nor did she declare that she should be in a tribe.

She certainly did not invent a fake tribe to take advantage of minority bids.

 

[River]

She never claimed anything else. All she ever claimed was some distant ancestry. The recent tests support that.

It was you conservatives and Republicans who lied made up a bunch of strawman fallacies asserting she claimed membership or any sort of more precise ancestry. It is the conservative and Republican claims against Warren that have been proven false.

Interesting.

The Association of American Law Schools desk book, a directory of law professors from participating schools, includes Warren among the minority law professors listed, beginning in 1986 and continuing through 1995. The years include time she spent teaching at the University of Texas and the University of Pennsylvania, before she joined the faculty at Harvard Law.

The listings were based on professors reporting that they were members of a minority group, the directory says.

Warren’s campaign did not dispute the listings


“The fact that she listed her heritage in some professional directories more than 15 years ago does not change those facts,’’ Harney said.

Warren’s unexpected minority status sparked controversy last week, when the Boston Herald reported that the school had named her a minority professor in the 1990s at a time when the campus was facing criticism about preponderance of white men on the faculty.

But a 1997 Fordham Law Review piece described her as Harvard Law School's "first woman of color," based, according to the notes at the bottom of the story, on a "telephone interview with Michael Chmura, News Director, Harvard Law (Aug. 6, 1996)."

"There are few women of color who hold important positions in the academy, Fortune 500 companies, or other prominent fields or industries," the piece says. "This is not inconsequential. Diversifying these arenas, in part by adding qualified women of color to their ranks, remains important for many reaons. For one, there are scant women of color as role models. In my three years at Stanford Law School, there were no professors who were women of color. Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."

The fact that there never have been Asian Americans, Native Americans, gays, lesbians, Latinos, Latinas and women of color [on the faculty] is a subject of major concern," said Wilkins, who is black.

Of 71 current Law School professors and assistant professors, 11 are women, five are black, one is Native American and one is Hispanic, said Mike Chmura, spokesperson for the Law School.

Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

 

[Crossbow]

who sees the problem here?

I sure do see the problem.

 

[kookbreaker]

Lack of tribal membership does not make your ancestry invalid.

 

[Thermal]

who sees the problem here?

Did the President's challenge specify a particular brand of test? No? Then you are moving the goalposts

 

[The Big Dog]

Did the President's challenge specify a particular brand of test? No? Then you are moving the goalposts

"I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."

them there goalposts are tight and locked in place.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Interesting.

None of that indicates any contradiction on what she feels is necessary to consider oneself a minority.

 

[BobTheCoward]

"I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."

them there goalposts are tight and locked in place.

That is zero posts. There is no definition there of what is an indian.

 

[The Big Dog]

That is zero posts. There is no definition there of what is an indian.

Really, so you are saying that trump might have been mocking her?

Do go on!

 

[BobTheCoward]

Really, so you are saying that trump might have been mocking her?

Do go on!

As a bad person does, yes. It wasn't a bet.

 

[I Am The Scum]

"Ha! What an idiot! She should just take the test! The fact that she's not taken a test just proves that she's lying!"

*Warren takes the test*

"Ha! What an idiot! She should never have taken the test!"

Oddly enough, those are not contradictory.

Highlights added for the benefits of any other "uneducated rubes" that may still be lingering in the thread.

 

[River]

None of that indicates any contradiction on what she feels is necessary to consider oneself a minority.

Why don't you please define what it takes for that to happen please? Explain what is necessary to consider oneself a minority.

 

[The Big Dog]

As a bad person does, yes. It wasn't a bet.

Of course it wasn't, and warren was a damn fool for falling for it, particularly given that the commercial DNA hereditary services are junk science at best.

But then to do and release silly results like that is hilarious!

 

[The Big Dog]

Highlights added for the benefits of any other "uneducated rubes" that may still be lingering in the thread.

In the old days, when this was a site for critical thinking, people would have analyzed the statement. I see that does not happen much anymore, but lets consider it a challenge, anyone?

 

[kookbreaker]

Why don't you please define what it takes for that to happen please? Explain what is necessary to consider oneself a minority.

It’s is the Republicans trying to make hay out of this, so why is it up to us to define what makes one a minority. Bigots in the past seemed happy with the one-drop rule, why change now?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Why don't you please define what it takes for that to happen please? Explain what is necessary to consider oneself a minority.

I have no opinion on that. And my opinion wouldn't be relevant. Her opinion, in an assessment of her thinking, would.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Oh dear goddamn Jesus backflipping Christ politicians could just jiggle their keys at each other and it would be more meaningful then thus.

So the Republicans don't like the incontrovertible prove that the Democrats provided for their doubt of the claim that nobody has yet explained why anybody bothered to make.

Good. Glad we're all on the same page.

 

[Thermal]

"I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."

them there goalposts are tight and locked in place.

Oh, you meanTrump was publucly challenging a claim that she didn't actually make? Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Explain what is necessary to consider oneself a minority.

Answer: High cheekbones.


"I still have a picture on my mantel and it is a picture my mother had before that - a picture of my grandfather. And my Aunt Bea has walked by that picture at least a 1,000 times remarked that he - her father, my Papaw -- had high cheekbones like all of the Indians do."
-- Pocahontas (May 3, 2012)