Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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d4m10n said:
p.s. I'm still unclear on why people think Sen. Warren did something wrong.
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She didn't do anything wrong. A political opponent tried to claim she did and the president made up a childish nick name that stuck.
 
Belz... said:
No, that's not what cultural appropriation is.



Yes I can. You know you were replying to a facetious comment. Stop it.
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Then we will just have to agree to disagree.


Just because you meant it flippantly doesn't mean I don't take it seriously.
 
Belz... said:
No, we don't. You're wrong by definition. That's simply not what the term means.



Bob, I mentioned that I'm waiting for reparations from "Saracens" for an event that transpired 1100+ years ago.

Think, please.
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I understand you don't think you need it. I think you do.
 
Belz... said:
No, we don't. You're wrong by definition. That's simply not what the term means.



Bob, I mentioned that I'm waiting for reparations from "Saracens" for an event that transpired 1100+ years ago.

Think, please.
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How about this definition...

Where people from a group that oppressed or oppresses another group mimics or represents cultural artifacts or manners of the oppressed group in a way that expresses or reinforces psychological elements of the racist ideology inherent in the colonialist project responsible for the oppression.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I understand you don't think you need it. I think you do.
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That'd mean that every human on Earth would be owed reparations by someone, just because an ancestor of theirs was wronged by someone at some time.

Yes, another case of a "principle" you want to push to its full, logical and ridiculous limit, pragmatic and reasonable considerations be damned.
 
Belz... said:
That'd mean that every human on Earth would be owed reparations by someone, just because an ancestor of theirs was wronged by someone at some time.

Yes, another case of a "principle" you want to push to its full, logical and ridiculous limit, pragmatic and reasonable considerations be damned.
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Correct
 
d4m10n said:
A sticky wicket indeed.

If you go back to 1890s, at least one of my kids' ancestors was on the "Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory." Between then and the 1990s, her descendants became more-or-less fully assimilated into mainstream white American Christian culture. At what point were various historical wrongs finally righted? Hard to say.

p.s. I'm still unclear on why people think Sen. Warren did something wrong.
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They must condemn Warren in order to support Dear Leader.
 
BobTheCoward said:
How about this definition...

Where people from a group that oppressed or oppresses another group mimics or represents cultural artifacts or manners of the oppressed group in a way that expresses or reinforces psychological elements of the racist ideology inherent in the colonialist project responsible for the oppression.
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Examples?

BobTheCoward said:
Correct
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Yeah, you're not supposed to admit to trolling, usually.

Either that, or you've never figured out that principles are actually interconnected, and can't therefore be taken to their logical limits.
 
BStrong said:
As long as she doesn't attempt to install slot machines in the Senate chamber she'll be OK.
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I'm going to pass this one on to the Warren 2020 campaign. Thanks. :)
 
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Diversity admissions and hiring in academia is in a stupid place right now. Both Warren and Harvard participated cynically in this stupidity. In the end, their behavior didn't mean much. But it does let Warren in for some pointing and laughing. The epithet, "Fauxcahontas", is the stupid prize she won. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and leaving a paper trail, basically.

There's really no way for her to fix it, I think. Other than going back in time and not putting it on her application. The genie is already out of the bottle.
 
theprestige said:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Diversity admissions and hiring in academia is in a stupid place right now. Both Warren and Harvard participated cynically in this stupidity. In the end, their behavior didn't mean much. But it does let Warren in for some pointing and laughing. The epithet, "Fauxcahontas", is the stupid prize she won. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and leaving a paper trail, basically.

There's really no way for her to fix it, I think. Other than going back in time and not putting it on her application. The genie is already out of the bottle.
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Here's the thing, though: did she really think she had indian ancestry? If so, where's the stupid game?
 
Belz... said:
Here's the thing, though: did she really think she had indian ancestry? If so, where's the stupid game?
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My question exactly.

As I've mentioned more than once, loads of phenotypically white people have some significant native ancestry, especially here in Oklahoma.
 
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