Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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It's interesting. I know plenty of Americans that claim Irish heritage because their great-great-great-great grandfather came over on a boat. They claim that heritage with pride and no one really gives them grief over it.

Elizabeth Warren, however, made a similar claim but is called a liar. Then when shown that there is merit to her claim, still treated with disdain. Do Republicans just not understand the racist implications of their position, or are they just stupid?
 
Meadmaker said:
That strategy could work, and it might not be too late to employ it.


It's a bit hard to say, because it's so hard to gauge the reaction of people who really matter. Her haters are going to keep hating, and they'll say this justifies the hate. Her supporters are going to keep supporting, and they'll say this proves her side of the story. How will the people who could go either way react? That's harder to tell.
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At least now she has proof that her claims, while blown out of proportion, were not false (as are so many of the claims of her expected opponent)
 
Meadmaker said:
You're almost there. Carry that last thought just a tiny bit farther and you'll see where her mistake was.
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Would that tiny bit farther be to the point where I said she should not have released the results of a DNA test to the public because that's private information that no one has the right to demand?
 
quadraginta said:
Interesting. Although I have never had 10lbs. of salt in my house (one carton of Morton's at most, I think), there have been a number of times I have had more than 10lbs. of lead. For extended periods.

Is that supposed to be a scale of decreasing likelihood?
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You'd be surprised how much salt there is in your house.... butter, cheeses, breakfast cereals, sauces, bread products, meat and fish all contain salt, and of course, the salt itself.

On top of all that, if you and your family are actually in your houses, well, there's a half pound of salt for every 100 pounds of human flesh right there. I'd be very surprised is a large family didn’t get pretty close to 10lb of salt.
 
kookbreaker said:
Yup.

I’ve certainly had 10lbs of salt in my house. Where I live we have these things called “winter”.
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We have them here, to. I've also lived in upstate New York, State College, PA, and many years in West Virginia. Quite familiar with those things called winter.

We always kept sand around for icy conditions. There was already plenty of salt on the roads (and sand), and sand generally works better when things keep re-freezing.

Easier to clean up after, too. Once stuff has been soaked with salt water it's much harder to sweep or vacuum up.
 
Stacyhs said:
This is the full statement of the Cherokee Nation regarding Warren:



1. Warren never claimed that DNA testing would prove CHEROKEE heritage as that's impossible.

2. The report from the geneticist said the results were consistent with NA heritage of the "lower 48 states of the US". That does not include S. America.

3. It says it makes a "mockery of DNA tests" not that Warrens' claim is a mockery.

My DNA does not prove my Creek ancestry, but documentation, including the US censuses, do prove my 4th great grandmother was "Indian". She was born in Alabama which is where the Creek Nation was so it's not exactly rocket science to conclude she was highly likely Creek.
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You tell them Cherokees off!

:rolleyes:
 
Distracted1 said:
At least now she has proof that her claims, while blown out of proportion, were not false (as are so many of the claims of her expected opponent)
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There is also a chance the story of her heritage is not supported by the evidence, but that would involve first questioning of the story
For example, she specifically mentioned Delaware or Cherokee. Since she is from Oklahoma saying this, was her understanding of the story that it was post trail of tears? If so, then that part doesn't align rather than overblown.

Also, I see a lot here trying to make the story work with six generations. If the probability of the 6-10 generations is evenly distributed, then it is an 80% chance it is earlier and the story is more difficult to match.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It's interesting. I know plenty of Americans that claim Irish heritage because their great-great-great-great grandfather came over on a boat. They claim that heritage with pride and no one really gives them grief over it.

Elizabeth Warren, however, made a similar claim but is called a liar. Then when shown that there is merit to her claim, still treated with disdain. Do Republicans just not understand the racist implications of their position, or are they just stupid?
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In fairness, no widely practiced benefits were being provided to those of Irish heritage on the scale of the ones available to Native Americans.
The analogy the right wishes to use is one of someone claiming an ethnicity in order to benefit from undeserved "affirmative action" assistance.

Since they generally disapprove of "affirmative action" type policies anyway, the "Pocohontas" schtick works for them not only as a direct mockery against Warren, but also as a dog whistle reminding them of the abuses they consider endemic to "Liberal social engineering" programs. A conservative who did the same thing as Warren need only claim she was taking legal advantage of something that should not exist in the first place.
 
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Distracted1 said:
In fairness, no widely practiced benefits were being provided to those of Irish heritage on the scale of the ones available to Native Americans.
The analogy the right wishes to use is one of someone claiming an ethnicity in order to benefit from undeserved "affirmative action" assistance.p
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I would like to see.a measure of these alleged wide spread benefits.
 
applecorped said:
Lol
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“An we honor the contributions of Pocahontas, a hero to her people, the Pamunkey Indian Tribe in Virginia, who reached across uncertain boundaries and brought people together. Once again, we call upon the President to refrain from using her name in a way that denigrates her legacy.” - National Congress of American Indians

Lol indeed.
 
:D
... this whole thread/topic.

WTF is wrong with us America? LOL

Can't believe this is even happening.
 
BobTheCoward said:
There is also a chance the story of her heritage is not supported by the evidence, but that would involve first questioning of the story
For example, she specifically mentioned Delaware or Cherokee. Since she is from Oklahoma saying this, was her understanding of the story that it was post trail of tears? If so, then that part doesn't align rather than overblown.

Also, I see a lot here trying to make the story work with six generations. If the probability of the 6-10 generations is evenly distributed, then it is an 80% chance it is earlier and the story is more difficult to match.
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I am not certain that is how it works. I am curious about how close of a NA ancestor she could have and still have the genetic makeup that she has.
Does the 6-10 generations represent only the most likely range? And what constitutes "most" likely %50? 85%? 99.9999%?
Is it possible that the ancestor(s) are 25 generations back? 2 generations back?

My knowledge of the science is too meager to judge, but it seems that the best the result can provide is evidence that she has a NA ancestor- full stop. Seems like weak sauce until one considers that that might be all such a test can ever prove.
 
Pterodactyl said:
:D
... this whole thread/topic.

WTF is wrong with us America? LOL

Can't believe this is even happening.
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Elections are decided by the electorate. The factors that sway members of that electorate to vote a particular way frequently take odd turns. Warren may be considered for President in two years. The topic is germane, even if we wish it weren't.
 
Pterodactyl said:
:D
... this whole thread/topic.

WTF is wrong with us America? LOL

Can't believe this is even happening.
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It appears that some here are not content to be just sore winners they also want to be sore losers, too.

Very disappointing.
 
Perhaps every presidential candidate should have that same DNA test, with the results to be published nationally. I'm betting there would be a lot of skeletons falling out of cupboards for some! :D
 
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