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Elevators WTC1 and 2

That illustration does show elevator shafts going below the plaza level. Note where the "110 stories" arrow ends.

Edit: Also, it is a general diagram, and shouldn't be used as a definitive elevator plan.

Here is a better look. Note the central elevator shaft extending through the basement into the pit in bedrock.

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Well, in short Im debating a truther who claims no kerosene could have poured thru the tower because the elevators were local. When pointed out that there were two express elevators in both towers, he claimed that none went to the basement (I had used several witnesses as examples of people smelling kerosene and getting burned). So, did any shaft go top-to-basement?



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Well, in short Im debating a truther who claims no kerosene could have poured thru the tower because the elevators were local. When pointed out that there were two express elevators in both towers, he claimed that none went to the basement (I had used several witnesses as examples of people smelling kerosene and getting burned). So, did any shaft go top-to-basement?/S
Yes, the freight elevators did. See my edit above.
 
So there were in addition to the express elevators, freight elevators that ran from the basement to the top?

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Yes. All the way. All deliveries, equipment, construction crews, etc. went via the freight elevators, which could stop at every floor. That's typical in high-rises. Felipe David, whom Willie Rodriguez helped, was burned by the fireball when standing near the freight elevator on the B-1 level.
 
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Yes. All the way. All deliveries, equipment, construction crews, etc. went via the freight elevators, which could stop at every floor. That's typical in high-rises. Felipe David, whom Willie Rodriguez helped, was burned by the fireball when standing near the freight elevator on the B-1 level.

Ahhh yes, and that answers another question aswell. Did Rodriguez originally claim that he heard two explosions, one from the bottom first, and then a second one from the top? (as he does in this clip)?

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There are few oddities from WR

Most notably that when he was interviewed by NIST(or was it FEMA, I forget now) instead of coming out with his bomb in the basement story he goes on about how lax mangement was about safety especially in the stairwells.

He claims that he heard and felt the explosion in the basement and then the plane hitting the building. One has to wonder though, given that he did not actually see the explosion and could not have seen the aircraft hit the building, how it is that he determines which was which.
 
Didn't the local elevator shafts themselves run all the way from the top to the bottom of the building . Even though the individual local elevators did not service each floor. I think the local elevators were stacked in the same shafts (I believe this enabled faster passenger transport as well as increasing rentable space).
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So, did any shaft go top-to-basement?
I know that several of the elevators were local to the sections, but were there any structural elements that separated them? Wouldn't a big dump of fuel into a local elevator shaft, travel all the way down the building, even past the point where the next elevator starts? I don't know, but it seems like you'd just have steel supports and the motor, which the fuel load would bypass pretty easily.
 
Didn't the local elevator shafts themselves run all the way from the top to the bottom of the building . Even though the individual local elevators did not service each floor. I think the local elevators were stacked in the same shafts (I believe this enabled faster passenger transport as well as increasing rentable space).
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That's mostly correct (there were fewer shafts near the top of the building), and it was a cause of concern:

"Some of the shafts pulled double duty, carrying low-floor elevators, middle-floor elevators, and high-floor elevators, and my only fear was that one of the high-floor elevators would break loose and come tumbling down on us as we made our way to sixteen.” –FDNY Battalion Chief Richard Picciotto, Last Man Down, 2002, Berkeley Books
Some elevators did fall a long way (these are express elevators):
The loss of life was almost complete inside the south tower's 10 giant express elevators, which were shuttling evacuees from the 78th floor to the ground floor after the north tower was hit. Only four people survived.

The four survivors — two each from adjacent elevators — were in elevators that plunged and were stopped by the emergency brakes 6 to 10 feet above the lobby floor. About 40 people died in those two elevators. Doomed passengers called loved ones from two other south tower express elevators stuck near the 12th floor in one case and the 19th floor in another.

...Passenger elevator No. 13. South tower, 78th floor. 9:02 a.m. Alan Mann, 35, an executive vice president at Aon Corp., an insurance company, squeezed into an express elevator packed with 25 people evacuating the south tower. He was the last person in. The doors closed. The elevator descended normally for the first seconds of a ride to the ground floor that should have lasted 60 seconds. Then United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the south tower, tearing through the elevator machine room on the 81st floor. That cut most cables to the express elevators. Elevator No. 13 began a free fall from 900 feet above ground.

"Get on your knees!" somebody screamed. Everybody knelt. People prayed aloud. The elevator fell, banging against the sides of the shaft. As the plunging car neared the ground, the emergency brake grabbed onto the thinnest of nine elevator cables — the only one remaining — and the elevator jerked to a stop.

Mann found himself trapped in a corner of the elevator, lying on top of someone. Debris and dust filled his mouth. Other passengers screamed and moaned. He heard other elevators crashing nearby.

It was dark. A man unpacked his laptop computer and turned it on for light. Injured people begged others not to move because it caused them pain. He could see two Aon colleagues, Alan Friedlander and Donna Giordano.

"Alan, I'm hurt," Giordano sobbed.

"Donna, don't worry, we're going to get out of this thing," Mann said.

Then, somebody yelled, "Oh my God, fire!" Burning jet fuel shot flames into the car, burning Mann's neck. He gasped for breath.

I'm going to die the worst possible death, Mann thought. My wife is going to be a single mother.

Someone was praying, repeating, "In God's name, in God's name."

Mann told himself: Don't give up. He crawled over people — some dead, some alive — to the other side of the elevator. There, two men and a woman were trying to push aside a piece of metal outside the elevator where the doors once were; the metal was blocking the exit.

Mann helped rip off a piece of metal but cut his left hand badly. He stuck his head through a small hole near the elevator floor and tried to push himself through. He couldn't fit. He was 10 feet above the lobby floor but couldn't get out.

He pulled his head back inside the burning elevator and pushed a petite woman out the hole. The woman hit the floor hard but stood up. "Go get help! Go get help!" Mann yelled.

She stood there, dazed.

Mann put his feet into the hole and squeezed out feet first, crashing to the floor. He was barefoot and shirtless, his pants shredded.

The lobby was deserted. He walked through revolving doors and found four firefighters in the underground shopping mall. He brought them back to the elevator. "You need to help these people," he said. He fled the building and ended up in an ambulance.

Everybody else in the elevator died, including Friedlander and Giordano. Mann doesn't know what happened to the woman.

Mann had numerous injuries: burns, nerve damage to his arms and legs, a deep cut that limits use of his left hand. He's back at work now, but his 12-hour days are in the past. Mann spends more time with his wife and daughters.

"I got a second chance on life."

“Plunge just the start of nightmare” By Dennis Cauchon and Martha T. Moore, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-young-usat_x.htm
 
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