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This could have a beneficial impact...

From: Driving Electric (although I have seen similar reports on other sources)
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has indicated on Twitter that the company's extensive Supercharger rapid-charging network will be opened to electric cars from other brands before the end of 2021 – albeit not all at once around the world. As is customary with initial announcements on Twitter by Musk, details are thin on the ground for now.

If it actually happens, it could be a benefit for almost everyone:
- Tesla could possibly earn extra income from providing charge to other cars
- Car owners will have more charging options (and thus you will have fewer 'gaps' in service where they can recharge
- The need of governments to subsidize the construction of charging stations (as a way to encourage electric vehicle adoption) gets reduced

The only ones who might end up suffering are Tesla owners, who might find themselves stuck behind non-Tesla cars at the charging stations when things are busy. Maybe Tesla will find some way to give priority to Teslas... perhaps having some units at a charging location be for Teslas only, and the others for any type of vehicle. Or maybe limit charging times for non-Tesla vehicles. (e.g. if you're not a Tesla, you can only charge for 10 minutes at a time.
 
Segnosaur said:
This could have a beneficial impact...

From: Driving Electric (although I have seen similar reports on other sources)
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has indicated on Twitter that the company's extensive Supercharger rapid-charging network will be opened to electric cars from other brands before the end of 2021 – albeit not all at once around the world. As is customary with initial announcements on Twitter by Musk, details are thin on the ground for now.

If it actually happens, it could be a benefit for almost everyone:
- Tesla could possibly earn extra income from providing charge to other cars
- Car owners will have more charging options (and thus you will have fewer 'gaps' in service where they can recharge
- The need of governments to subsidize the construction of charging stations (as a way to encourage electric vehicle adoption) gets reduced

The only ones who might end up suffering are Tesla owners, who might find themselves stuck behind non-Tesla cars at the charging stations when things are busy. Maybe Tesla will find some way to give priority to Teslas... perhaps having some units at a charging location be for Teslas only, and the others for any type of vehicle. Or maybe limit charging times for non-Tesla vehicles. (e.g. if you're not a Tesla, you can only charge for 10 minutes at a time.
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This will likely start in Europe first, since EV's pretty much all use the same connector standard there. CCS I believe.

A little trickier in North America where Tesla uses its own connector type. I can't see the adapter being cheap, and then there's the charging the non-Tesla cars. Tesla Superchargers 'read' the car, and then it chargers the owner. I suspect that one would register the adapter, and when it's used, that's how Tesla charge the user.

As a Tesla owner, I'm mixed. I bought a Tesla because of the supercharger network. At the same time, while I can see longer wait times for the charge network, incoming funds will allow Tesla to open more Superchargers, and will encourage EV expansion.
 
Probably more about tesla tapping into government funding and/or avoiding anti-monopoly actions....


On the latter point, I heard rumblings of UK action over motorway charging yesterday. I will do a bit of research and report back
 
Shalamar said:
This will likely start in Europe first, since EV's pretty much all use the same connector standard there. CCS I believe.

A little trickier in North America where Tesla uses its own connector type. I can't see the adapter being cheap, and then there's the charging the non-Tesla cars. Tesla Superchargers 'read' the car, and then it chargers the owner. I suspect that one would register the adapter, and when it's used, that's how Tesla charge the user.

As a Tesla owner, I'm mixed. I bought a Tesla because of the supercharger network. At the same time, while I can see longer wait times for the charge network, incoming funds will allow Tesla to open more Superchargers, and will encourage EV expansion.
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On this subject it might be advantageous to use 'bill' & 'billing' for clarity?
 
Segnosaur said:
This could have a beneficial impact...

From: Driving Electric (although I have seen similar reports on other sources)
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has indicated on Twitter that the company's extensive Supercharger rapid-charging network will be opened to electric cars from other brands...
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Some more information has been given about how Tesla plans to open up their charging network.

From: InsideEVs
During the second-quarter earnings call, Tesla's CEO Elon Musk answered a question about the upcoming opening of the Supercharging network to other EVs. The technical solution to implement the access will be fairly simple, based on an app. Once a user will register and assign a credit card, he/she will be able to indicate the stall...accept the price, and unlock the power for a non-Tesla electric vehicle...non-Tesla EVs will have to either buy an adapter or use an adapter available at the station. Both options were mentioned
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The second most important thing hinted at by Elon Musk is the pricing for non-Tesla EVs. It will reflect the utilization of the station, as well as the power output.

Makes sense... charge more for non-Teslas to use stations when they are busiest, plus because they will be charging at a slower speed. It gives non-Tesla vehicles access when absolutely necessary, but might keep them from clogging things up if they don't NEED the extra power.
 
Washington State charges fees to register any electric vehicle that can move at 30 mph or more. Hybrids are excluded. Up to $225/year per RCW 46.17.323 and RCW 47.17.324 to fund infrastructure for a charging network and other things. It might not seem to be a lot after buying a Telsa or other expensive car, but even the owners of cheaper electric bikes are on the hook for this fee.

For example I drive my bike about 5000 miles a year, using about 100 gallons of gas. With gas taxed at 49 cents per gallon, I'm paying $49 a year to pay my part of keeping the roads paid for. I've never seen an electric bike at a charger out in town, just cars. I think just about everyone charges their bikes at home using 120 or 240 volt AC.

If charging costs me about 1 cent per mile, then tacking on $225 over my hypothetical cost of $50 each year for charging is a real downer. My state Representatives and Senator are unwilling to explain why there is this kind of "punitive measure" in place.
 
Ranb said:
My state Representatives and Senator are unwilling to explain why there is this kind of "punitive measure" in place.
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Meanwhile, the federal government and others offer credits and rebates for buying an EV. It does seem like sort of a mixed message.
 
Ranb said:
Washington State charges fees to register any electric vehicle that can move at 30 mph or more. Hybrids are excluded. Up to $225/year per RCW 46.17.323 and RCW 47.17.324 to fund infrastructure for a charging network and other things. It might not seem to be a lot after buying a Telsa or other expensive car, but even the owners of cheaper electric bikes are on the hook for this fee.

For example I drive my bike about 5000 miles a year, using about 100 gallons of gas. With gas taxed at 49 cents per gallon, I'm paying $49 a year to pay my part of keeping the roads paid for. I've never seen an electric bike at a charger out in town, just cars. I think just about everyone charges their bikes at home using 120 or 240 volt AC.

If charging costs me about 1 cent per mile, then tacking on $225 over my hypothetical cost of $50 each year for charging is a real downer. My state Representatives and Senator are unwilling to explain why there is this kind of "punitive measure" in place.
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In Illinois, there are two revenue sources, I believe, earmarked for road maintenance: the $.39/gallon gas tax and the $151.00/year registration fee.

If you don’t use gasoline, you don’t contribute your share of the road maintenance funds. So your increased registration fee is probably meant to make up for that. It’s probably based on an average amount of miles (10,000) and mpg. Obviously, it’s not a good fit for your bike.


If they don’t make up for the gas tax somewhere, the road budget will be inadequate. Ive seen some ideas where they check your odometer every year and charge a tax based on that. Basically, they haven’t figured it out yet, but it’s not meant to be punitive.
 
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