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From: BBC
A budget electric vehicle (EV) selling in China for $4,500 (£3,200) is now outselling Tesla's more upmarket cars. The compact car is proving a big hit for state-owned SAIC Motor, China's top automaker.

Pretty darn good... an electric vehicle selling for a small fraction of the cost of a Tesla (or even North American gas-powered vehicles.)

Not sure if it would translate well to the North American/European market... the range is tiny compared to other EVs, and I'm not sure if it would require any expensive modifications to make it be seen as 'safe'.
 
Slightly off-topic, I just spotted an oddity with Google maps. I was pondering a once-per-normal-year 200 mile trip to meet friends and go climbing in Snowdonia. (A trip where charging at the destination is probably some years from becoming likely.)

Anyway, i noticed that Google maps offered to show gas stations on my route, so I clicked and it pinned over a dozen. It took me a minute to spot that the places its algorithm selected all sell gas. Not gasoline. Gas. As in "Propane and propane accessories." How odd that Google (.co.uk) doesn't seem to realise we fill our cars with "petrol".
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah but the EV equivalent to "I ran out of gas and I'm stuck on the side of the road" is still going to happen from time to time and with an EV you're getting towed to the nearest compatible charger, you can't have AAA or a buddy swing by with a Jerry Can.

Again I'm not saying this will be a common occurrence, I'm saying that this is the kind of uncommon but not like super-rare problems we will need some sort of plan/infastructure/process for dealing with as EVs become more and more common.
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Note that you can't actually tow an EV, it has to be picked up on a flatbed truck due to possible damage to the motors. A fwd EV might be ok.

On the off chance you do run out of electricity, contact your breakdown provider and ask for a flatbed truck to take you to a nearby charging station. Electric vehicles shouldn’t be towed with a rope or lift, as this can damage the traction motors that generate electricity through regenerative braking.

Different manufacturers give different advice. Tesla and Renault, for example, advise owners to only use a flatbed truck for recovery. However, Nissan says that the latest Leaf can be towed with the front wheels raised, as this avoids damaging the traction motor. However, a flatbed is always the safest choice.
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https://www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/320/what-happens-when-electric-car-runs-out
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Slightly off-topic, I just spotted an oddity with Google maps. I was pondering a once-per-normal-year 200 mile trip to meet friends and go climbing in Snowdonia. (A trip where charging at the destination is probably some years from becoming likely.)

Anyway, i noticed that Google maps offered to show gas stations on my route, so I clicked and it pinned over a dozen. It took me a minute to spot that the places its algorithm selected all sell gas. Not gasoline. Gas. As in "Propane and propane accessories." How odd that Google (.co.uk) doesn't seem to realise we fill our cars with "petrol".
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Yeah you have to be careful with Google Maps as "phantom" sites are a thing that either the algorithm or (probably more likely) user input sometimes cause.
 
I checked a map of my area for charging stations, and was fairly pleased to see that there are a number within a fairly decent distance from here. Still not as many as gas stations by far, and still no fast ones right handy, but at least something within about a 12 mile radius, which is not bad around here.

Still not quite time to hurry out and get an electric car, but it's looking up. The nearest gas station is three miles away, and of course if you run out of gas you can walk someplace and get a can of it, which you can't do for a charge. But it's no longer just crazy to think of an all-electric car.
 
Lplus said:
Sarcasm is the resort of someone who can't actually think of a sensible argument.
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Sarcasm is also a cromulent response to a non-sensical argument.

State your argument plainly and clearly and maybe you will get more straightforward responses.

But, an unoriginal musing that safety features make it easier for drivers to not pay attention gets the unoriginal tungsten spike on the steering wheel response because it is a tired argument that deserves a tired response. Bring something more to the conversation and you will get something more in response. Or at least some recommended design specs for your next steering wheel.
 
Segnosaur said:
(Fast moving thread, not sure if this has been mentioned before)....

From: BBC
A budget electric vehicle (EV) selling in China for $4,500 (£3,200) is now outselling Tesla's more upmarket cars. The compact car is proving a big hit for state-owned SAIC Motor, China's top automaker.

Pretty darn good... an electric vehicle selling for a small fraction of the cost of a Tesla (or even North American gas-powered vehicles.)

Not sure if it would translate well to the North American/European market... the range is tiny compared to other EVs, and I'm not sure if it would require any expensive modifications to make it be seen as 'safe'.
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This is likely a completely different vehicle, but it does highlight how simple the base electric vehicle is and that most of the complexity and cost is based on our expectations as a society and not the physical demands of moving a body from A to B:

I Ordered A Brand-New Chinese $900 EV Online
 
Tesla losing market share.

Tesla had a good year and still lost EV market share. What is surprising is who they lost market share to. Ford and more specifically the Ford Mustang Mach E. It dropped from 82 percent to 69 percent. The Mach E garnered 13 percent of the EV market.

Tesla's market share is expected to continue dropping with a number of EV entries hitting the market. It's predicted to fall to 60 percent this year and nudge below 50 percent next year.
 
acbytesla said:
Tesla had a good year and still lost EV market share. What is surprising is who they lost market share to. Ford and more specifically the Ford Mustang Mach E. It dropped from 82 percent to 69 percent. The Mach E garnered 13 percent of the EV market.

Tesla's market share is expected to continue dropping with a number of EV entries hitting the market. It's predicted to fall to 60 percent this year and nudge below 50 percent next year.
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Tesla pretty much had no where to go, but to lose market share! With more EV's coming to market with near equivalent ranges, it was bound to happen.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think people underestimate how much "infrastructure saturation" gasoline has and how little electric car charging has.

There are 16 gas stations within a one mile drive of my house. 3 within what I would call "walking distance." All but one of them (according to the GasBuddy app) have diesel. Most have E85. 1 has liquid propane and CNG.

The closest publicly accessible electric car charging station is over 5 miles from my house. (An EVgo charging station, 50kw, compatible with CHAdeMO and CCS systems).

The nearest Tesla Supercharger is 27 miles away.

Currently for the purposes of charging a vehicle electricity is least accessible option for me unless I'm at my house.
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All of that said, the political infrastructure built up around the petroleum is an extremely persuasive one. Just threaten oil and gas jobs and you can make almost every politician quake in his/her boots. That kind of clout can have a significant deterrent effect on new technology.
 
Shalamar said:
Tesla pretty much had no where to go, but to lose market share! With more EV's coming to market with near equivalent ranges, it was bound to happen.
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Yes. I also think it sends a signal to Tesla not to just expect dominance in the market just because. Volkswagen stock just saw a big surge after the UBS teardown report of the ID3

The market needs competition.
 
jadebox said:
You really are comparing apples and something much more different than oranges. As an EV owner, you don't need charging stations near your house. It is better when they are farther away.
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Consider the average commuter. Her car sits in the garage/car port/ etc. all night and sits in the office parking lot all day. Those idle periods are ideal for charging time. In time, you won't even have to think about it. As you park at work, your car calls out to Eddy Electric, the mobile robot who works the lot, and authorizes a "fill up". At the end of the day you're good to go.
 
SezMe said:
All of that said, the political infrastructure built up around the petroleum is an extremely persuasive one. Just threaten oil and gas jobs and you can make almost every politician quake in his/her boots. That kind of clout can have a significant deterrent effect on new technology.
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Except it has lost a lot of that. Ten years ago ExxonMobil was by far the highest valued company on the planet. Now it's 30th. Although Saudi Aramco is number 1. Tesla is worth double what Exxon is.
 
SezMe said:
Consider the average commuter. Her car sits in the garage/car port/ etc. all night and sits in the office parking lot all day. Those idle periods are ideal for charging time. In time, you won't even have to think about it. As you park at work, your car calls out to Eddy Electric, the mobile robot who works the lot, and authorizes a "fill up". At the end of the day you're good to go.
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Given how electricity really needs that cable, I think a more likely scenario is AEVs will wirelessly schedule a charge and drive themselves to the charger while you are at work.
 
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acbytesla said:
Tesla's market share is expected to continue dropping with a number of EV entries hitting the market. It's predicted to fall to 60 percent this year and nudge below 50 percent next year.
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99% (See Note 1) of companies would drool over a 50% market share.



Note 1: The 99% number is 99% likely pulled from my nether regions.
 
SezMe said:
99% (See Note 1) of companies would drool over a 50% market share.



Note 1: The 99% number is 99% likely pulled from my nether regions.
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:D

Yep. But 99 percent of almost zero is not a lot. For all the rave about Tesla, it's important to acknowledge it makes up maybe 2 percent of the Automobile market if that. But Tesla owned this market because it really proved the concept that EVs could compete with ICEs and make money,
 
acbytesla said:
Yes. I also think it sends a signal to Tesla not to just expect dominance in the market just because. Volkswagen stock just saw a big surge after the UBS teardown report of the ID3

The market needs competition.
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Tesla (Elon Musk) has said from the start that they wanted competition. it's good for the planet.


I think that Tesla will still be dominant for so me time, thanks to the supercharger network. What the market really needs though is an affordable EV with good range, in the $20000 - $30000 range. First to market with one 'wins'.
 
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