Filippo Lippi
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My eniro will brake to a stop if you hold the left paddle in and the battery isn't full
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So will mine, but that wasn't what I was commenting on.
The claim was that the only way to brake regeneratively was to use the flappy paddle on the steering wheel, and that is not the case.
Filippo Lippi
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No, of course it isn't. the clever bit is that you can't tell which "brakes" are being used
novaphile
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Jumping in to join the chorus.
My Outlander PHEV uses the same intuitive control system.
The flappy paddles control the level of regenerative braking, and you don't have to hold them to make the car slow down.
Operating the brake pedal always uses regeneration first to slow the vehicle, the physical brakes are not activated until the pedal is pushed further down.
i.e. if you want more braking, you push more, just like any other car on the road.
Just using regeneration, my car will keep slowing down until it is moving at a snail's pace, i.e. 'creep' mode, to go slower than that, the brake pedal must be touched.
This behaviour is very similar to 'automatic' vehicles, i.e. the car creeps if it is in gear (forward or reverse) unless your foot is on the pedal.
My previous EV, a BMW i3 managed it all so the car always responded the same whether or not regen was available (and it had a much lower reserve at "100%" charge so the situation happened more often).
My new(er) car, a Hyundai Ioniq 5, will warn you and turn off regenerative braking if the battery is too full - in which case the "gas" pedal wouldn't work the same as it normally does. Fortunately, at "100%" the battery isn't really full so I haven't actually encountered the situation. People who have long, down-sloping driveways, however, have run into it.
This is just what he told me.
At the time he was trying to use the paddles for breaking for the regenerative effect. Which seemed awkward to me.
It's quite possible that he misunderstood how they worked. He also insisted on going to the dealer he bought it from (about an hour away) for software updates instead of the local chevrolet dealership.
I just watched this: It's about the same time period.
I think what he was doing was driving in D mode, which if you use the brake pedal does little or no regenerative unless you modulate the brake pads to not use friction brakes (The guy in the video says this is hard to do.). So he was using the paddles "regen on demand" to stop instead of the brakes.
L Mode uses regen when you hit the brake pedal if available. It's pretty much one pedal driving.
The D and L probably confused him. In an ICE, D is "drive" and L is "low" and almost never used.
Rolfe
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Well, two-year "service" tomorrow. I just hope the dealership actually do what I ask them to do this time. Last year, despite practically setting my request for a particular software update to music and presenting it to them as a song-and-dance act, they just didn't bother. It took them until September to do it. I did talk to another dealer about transferring my custom, but unfortunately he doesn't have a bodyshop and I have a minor warranty repair to be done (replacement of the passenger-side door handle) which needs to be painted, so he can't handle it. I therefore decided to go back to the original dealer this time in the hope they can do everything that's outstanding and I can leave them behind. The combination of superciliousness, condescension and appalling customer service is beyond a joke.
As I noted, some of you seem to like that. I (and more to the point, my wife) do not. I have no problem driving 12 hours straight with only brief bathroom breaks and eating on the road. I have driven from Peoria Illinois to Pensacola Florida in a day. (890 miles) Or from Illinois to San Antonio Texas with a single sleep stop. For those trips, I don't want a couple hours added on.
On a more leisurely sightseeing trip, I'll stop if there's something that interests me. But not dictated by my fuel tank.
Other people have different preferences.
But for many people the charging time is an inconvenience rather than an opportunity. Thus, it's something that could stand improvement.
bruto
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You are probably aware of this, but over here, a common way to spell the word for that business that sells you a new car is "stealership."
Rolfe
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Oh yes. The trouble is, they have drivers over a barrel, first because you have to have the "services" done or the warranty is void - and on my car that's seven years - and second, even though you could use an independent garage (there's Cleveley, and I saw a poster yesterday on my way home from the dentist advertising "electric cars serviced and repaired") you won't get the software updates from them.
Hopefully I'll get everything done this time and can jump ship. I can always keep an eye open for software updates appearing over the next year before deciding whether even to go back to any dealer. Then again, there are clever-clogs who have got the infotainment updates on memory sticks and are updating their own cars. Takes about ten minutes I gather.
Hopefully I'll get everything done this time and can jump ship. I can always keep an eye open for software updates appearing over the next year before deciding whether even to go back to any dealer. Then again, there are clever-clogs who have got the infotainment updates on memory sticks and are updating their own cars. Takes about ten minutes I gather.
Dabop
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Insurance companies in Australia would jack your rates way up if they found out you were driving like that here- your chances of an accident go WAAAAY up.... ( a fatigued driver having been up for 17 hours is equally likely to crash as someone at the maximum blood alcohol level of 0.05 and fatigued drivers account for 30% of all fatal road crashes in Australia)
And if you were driving a truck, you would have several thousand dollars in fines- you need at least four 15 minute breaks out of the vehicle during a 12 hour working shift ie 11 hours driving time and to get to that 12th hour you must take an extra half hour break as well... which any of the newer EVs available here could 'top up' during those breaks and actually outlast you lol
Many drivers severely overestimate their capabilities in handling long distance driving....
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I've driven between Seattle and San Diego many times. Actually Torrey Pines, which is about 30 miles north of San Diego. 1200 miles taking just bathroom breaks and to add fuel. Takes about 19 hours. I would have hated to stop and charge the car. That said, you do what you have to do. Not sure how much extra time would be needed.
Dabop
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At 19 hours, your reaction times are as equally slow as a legally drunk driver with a BAL of 0.05!!!!
1400 kilometers (870 miles) is the legal driving limit here and thats pushing it right to the limit for professional drivers...
The average non professional driver is recommended at no more than 1000km a day (if the police detect you weaving etc, and they find you are suffering from fatigue, they can hold the car for up to 12 hours if you can't get an alternate driver plus you get fined...)
For a heavy vehicle driver here, the fine if caught can be up to $6850 and three points off your licence (get 12 points in 3 years and you lose it for a minimum 3 months), for a car driver its up to $1100...
The BYD I am looking at could literally outlast me AND still have range to spare- in fact it could do it indefinitely lol- with a 25 minute break every four hours to recharge (so at best, you would be a whole 36km/22 miles ahead of me after 12 hours)
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There is no legal limit in the US for non-commercial drivers or vehicles. I concede those trips when I did it alone were tough. Lots of caffeine. Also half those trips were done with a friend or sibling taking shifts at the wheel.
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Age is a massive factor. Thirty years ago I used to leave Kent in the evening after a full week of work, get a late evening ferry, drive through the night and arrive in Grenoble at the right time to pick up fresh croissants for a family breakfast. 880km from Calais. Nowadays... not going to happen.
Yep, similar story here.
In my 30s would leave home at 0400, get to ICI Wilton around 0800, work until 1700, get home around 2100 twice a week (Tuesdays and Thursdays) for several months. 800km driven, 9 hours worked, no worries.
These days I need a lie down after putting my shoes on.
Dabop
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The biggest issue for those driving long distances is that while you may 'think you are OK', your reaction times slow dramatically, and your judgement becomes impaired... (hence the comparison with drink driving)
MOST times you get away with it- until that day you don't....
And something unexpected happens (roo jumps out, car goes through a stop sign, whatever) and then your delayed reactions matter- a less tired driver will still react more quickly, possibly avoiding or minimising any damage/risk, while a more tired driver.... won't....
Add in many drivers (especially surburbanites) both overestimate their own abilities AND are inexperienced at long drives and in unfamiliar locations/conditions- which is why EVERY holidays etc we have ad campaigns here on TV, in print media and online targeting fatigue etc AND 'double demerits' ie every fine comes with points off your licence, during a double demerits period that obviously is doubled- get 12 points in three years and your licence is automatically suspended.... get out the sneakers, cause you will be doing a lot of walking for at least next three months...
Our road toll is already high (for Australia- its actually far less than the US's on a distance traveled per year per capita basis lol) but we are also actively trying to reduce it...
Double demerits helps when the city types decide to drive long distances on holidays...
Indeed not far from me last year during the holidays, there was a fatal crash with a family in the car during the holidays with fatigue at fault, he had been driving all day and had a 'microsleep' at the wheel and crashed.... (over 30% of all fatal road crashes in Australia are fatigue related...)
LOL, Dr Karl on TV (I was an avid listener of his radio show on JJJ from the 1980's onwards, until I moved out here in 2015- I can't pick up JJJ here grrr) 48 seconds long ad
Microsleeps can be fatal in long distance driving with fatigued drivers, as they usually aren't even aware its even happening...
https://sleepiverse.com/articles/microsleep/
MOST times you get away with it- until that day you don't....
And something unexpected happens (roo jumps out, car goes through a stop sign, whatever) and then your delayed reactions matter- a less tired driver will still react more quickly, possibly avoiding or minimising any damage/risk, while a more tired driver.... won't....
Add in many drivers (especially surburbanites) both overestimate their own abilities AND are inexperienced at long drives and in unfamiliar locations/conditions- which is why EVERY holidays etc we have ad campaigns here on TV, in print media and online targeting fatigue etc AND 'double demerits' ie every fine comes with points off your licence, during a double demerits period that obviously is doubled- get 12 points in three years and your licence is automatically suspended.... get out the sneakers, cause you will be doing a lot of walking for at least next three months...
Our road toll is already high (for Australia- its actually far less than the US's on a distance traveled per year per capita basis lol) but we are also actively trying to reduce it...
Double demerits helps when the city types decide to drive long distances on holidays...
Indeed not far from me last year during the holidays, there was a fatal crash with a family in the car during the holidays with fatigue at fault, he had been driving all day and had a 'microsleep' at the wheel and crashed.... (over 30% of all fatal road crashes in Australia are fatigue related...)
LOL, Dr Karl on TV (I was an avid listener of his radio show on JJJ from the 1980's onwards, until I moved out here in 2015- I can't pick up JJJ here grrr) 48 seconds long ad
Microsleeps can be fatal in long distance driving with fatigued drivers, as they usually aren't even aware its even happening...
https://sleepiverse.com/articles/microsleep/
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Gulliver Foyle
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You can compartmentalise phones to have encrypted sections for work purposes and non encrypted sections for personal use. With dual SIM setups you can even run your personal and work phones off tye same handset.
Whether you should do that for a phone that's not legally yours is a different matter.
dirtywick
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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%
Exhaust isn't the only impact of cars, they also emit tiny brake particles. Thru regen braking, EVs reduce that (but bikes are even better!)
electrek.co
little known benefit of evs: 83% less brake dust