Electric universe theories here.

[Reality Check]

"The new pixels have brightness values based on the difference between the brightness of the pixels compared from the two original images."

Depending on what the difference(adding to previous value?) is between then you would have a pixel that is slightly brighter than the previous frame.

And this would happen globally. So it would be the same image of a different brightness than the source images depending on the algorithm.

As long as the individual pixels were not processed in some way, that this process happened globally, then you would have an video that just made up the brightness differences between snapshots, or a simple form of compression.

That is right - running difference images are running differences between images! They show differences between images. They contain some "real" stuff such as things that look like stars (so long as you realize that they are not really stars), That is what MM cannot grasp.

"
I thought that the data was transmitted from TRACE? as running difference images. That would make sense. Why post process as RD images??

I think that it is the other way around - images are transmitted from TRACE as images. Then scientists post process the images into RD images to emphasise the things that change (basically temperature).

 

[Reality Check]

Where are the controllable empirical experiments showing the Iron Sun mass separation

Originally Posted by Michael Mozina
Your elemental abundance numbers are meaningless because they are all based upon the assumption of little or no mass separation. You seem to think Iron and Nickel are going to stay mixed together with wispy light Hydrogen and Helium. Hell, the moon can't even hang on the hydrogen that blows by it every day and it has *tons* of iron in it.

(bold added)

I've another question for MM ...

... where are the papers reporting mass separation in ~6000 K plasmas (comprised of H, He, Fe, ...) in the lab? Oh, and *lab* plasmas which have densities comparable to that of the Sun's photosphere ...

MM: You seem to have the conviction that only controllable empirical experiments (maybe only in labs here on Earth) produce data upon which to base scientific theories. For example any data that astronomers collect about dark matter from observations (i.e. uncontrollable empirical experiments) means nothing until dark matter is actually detected in labs. Possibly the same for black holes, fusion at the core of stars, galactic evolution, cosmology, etc.
So your mass separation in the Sun must have been found in controllable empirical experiments involving the same conditions in the Sun. Otherwise you would follw your own logic and throw your mass separation concept out as faeries, gnomes, dead, or another of your lovely terms.

So answer DeiRenDopa's question.

 

[brantc]

That is right - running difference images are running differences between images! They show differences between images. They contain some "real" stuff such as things that look like stars (so long as you realize that they are not really stars), That is what MM cannot grasp.

I think that it is the other way around - images are transmitted from TRACE as images. Then scientists post process the images into RD images to emphasise the things that change (basically temperature).

The RD images dont appear to track temperature, they appear to track moving objects that are emitting at FE15 171-192nm.
Here is the TRACE movie.
http://soi.stanford.edu/results/SolPhys200/Schrijver/TRACEpodarchive4.html#movie8

A running difference image has to have a full image to start. It looks like they have a stationary background with the changes in brightness overlayed.
You can see the area brighten up as the flare progresses. You can also see the refraction pattern from TRACES grill.
Its a real picture of the sun. The light and dark changes reflect a visible process. It looks like a CME/flare.

Which is what I expect from a running difference image. You want it to be meaningful.

Whats the point if it doesnt reflect a real world view?

 

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The RD images dont appear to track temperature, they appear to track moving objects that are emitting at FE15 171-192nm.
Here is the TRACE movie.
http://soi.stanford.edu/results/SolPhys200/Schrijver/TRACEpodarchive4.html#movie8

You mean here is a TRACE movie - there are many.
This happens to be one that MM is obsessed with.

A running difference image has to have a full image to start.

Yes

It looks like they have a stationary background with the changes in brightness overlayed.
You can see the area brighten up as the flare progresses. You can also see the refraction pattern from TRACES grill.
Its a real picture of the sun. The light and dark changes reflect a visible process. It looks like a CME/flare.

According to MM, it looks like a wind blowing over iron mountains .

The changes in brightness are actually changes in temperature.

The stationary background is the part of the photosphere that is not greatly changing in temperature.

I see no sign of the TRACE instrument having a "grill" and no sign of a refraction pattern in the movie.

It is a real processed series of pictures of a CME/flare on the Sun.
The bright areas are areas that increase in termperature between each pair of images.
The dark areas are areas that decrease in termperature between each pair of images.

What the RD movie shows is that the flare has areas of increasing temperature next to areas of decreasing temperature. These seem to be aligned along the coronal loops (see the snapshot image) giving the illusion of mountain ranges that have fooled MM. There is also the CME rising (increasing in temperature) and then falling.

Which is what I expect from a running difference image. You want it to be meaningful.

Whats the point if it doesnt reflect a real world view?

The RD movie is meaningful as its caption states:

The associated 3.3MB AVI movie (Cinepak compressed) shows the flare and mass ejection as a difference movie: where the image turns bright, the solar corona has become brighter after 16UT, and where it turns black it has dimmed. This shows the ejected material very well, first flying upward at several hundred kilometers per second. Later, some of it is seen to fall back as a dark cloud.

Astronomers do not create the movies just for fun or to fool weak minds.

The point is that it does reflect a real world view - the changes during the CME & flare.

 

[Michael Mozina]

Except that it's been proven that you don't have the slightest idea what a running difference image is, how it's made, or what it's supposed to be showing. So your assessment is garbage.

This coming from the guy who's best "analysis" of the images was "Flying stuff? What flying stuff?"

 

[GeeMack]

This coming from the guy who's best "analysis" of the images was "Flying stuff? What flying stuff?"

Cry all you want, kid. It won't change the simple fact. It's been proven that you don't have the slightest idea what a running difference image is, how it's made, or what it's supposed to be showing.

 

[Zeuzzz]

God the amount of ego bashing that goes on here is so replete sometimes I have no idea the subject participants are talking about is anymore.

 

[Reality Check]

God the amount of ego bashing that goes on here is so replete sometimes I have no idea the subject participants are talking about is anymore.

It is not ego bashing. It is a statement of fact.

Micheal Mozina thinks that the TRACE RD images are pictures of actual real objects, e.g. mountain ranges on a solid iron surface of the Sun.
I think that you would agree that this is a dumb idea.

It has been pointed out to him over many years, forums, threads and posts that the running difference process produces images that are not of real objects. They are of the running differences between images of real objects. What you see are the differences.
The TRACE RD movie that he is obsessed has the caption

This is a snapshot of Active Region 9143 observed with TRACE in the 171Å passband, showing bright material around 1 million degrees. This image, taken at 17:07UT on August 28, 2000, shows the corona during a C3.3 flare, associated with a mass ejection (towards the upper left of the image). The associated 3.3MB AVI movie (Cinepak compressed) shows the flare and mass ejection as a difference movie: where the image turns bright, the solar corona has become brighter after 16UT, and where it turns black it has dimmed. This shows the ejected material very well, first flying upward at several hundred kilometers per second. Later, some of it is seen to fall back as a dark cloud.

It is obvious from the movie:

• The "flying stuff" is the above mentioned CME changing temperature.
• The dark areas are plama losing temperature.
• The light areas are plasma gaining temperature.

The dark and light areas happen to be aligned along coronal loops for some reason. This gives the illusion of mountain ranges that has so easily fooled Micheal Mozina.

 

[Reality Check]

These are some of the questions that MM has been asked and seems incapable of answering other than by unsupported assertions

1. What is the amount of 171A light emitted by the photosphere and can it be detected? First asked 6th July 2009
2. A post that seemed to retract his "mountain ranges" on the TRACE 171A RD animation evoked this question:
   What discharge rates and processes come from your hypothetical thermodynamically impossible solid iron surface to show up as records of change in the RD animation in the corona. First asked 6th July 2009
3. From tusenfem:
   Where is the the solar wind and the appropriate math in Birkelands book? First asked 7th July 2009
4. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified fission as the "original current source" and in the same post
5. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified a discharge process between the Sun's surface and the heliosphere (about 10 billion kilometers from the Sun). First asked 7th July 2009
6. Is your solid iron surface thermodynamically possible? First asked 8 July 2009
   See this post for a fuller explanation of the thermodynamic problems with MM's solid iron surface.
7. Coronal loops are electrical discharges? First asked 10 July 2009
   This is an updated question with a couple of "answers" from MM.
8. Can Micheal Mozina answer a simple RD animation question? First asked 10 July 2009
9. More questions for Michael Mozina about the photosphere optical depth First asked 13 July 2009
10. Formation of the iron surface First asked 13 July 2009
11. How much is "mostly neon" MM? First asked 13 July 2009
12. Just how useless is the Iron Sun model? First asked 13 July 2009
13. Coronal loop heating question for Michael Mozina First asked 13 July 2009
14. Coronal loop stability question for Michael Mozina First asked 13 July 2009He does link to his copy of Alfvén and Carlqvist's 1966 paper (Currents in the Solar Atmosphere and A theory of Solar Flares). This does not model what we now know a real solar flare acts like.
15. Has the hollow Iron Sun been tested? First asked 14 July 2009
16. Is Saturn the Sun? First asked 14 July 2009(Birkelands Fig 247a is an analogy for Saturn's rings but MM compares it to to the Sun).
17. Question about "streams of electrons" for Micheal Mozina First asked 14 July 2009MM has one reply in which is mistakenly thinks that this question is about coronal loops.
18. What is the temperature above the iron crust in the Iron Sun model? First asked 17 July 2009
19. What part of the Sun emits a nearly black body spectrum with an effective temperature of 5777 K?
    (MM states that it is not the photosphere) First asked 18 July 2009
20. Is the iron surface is kept cooler than the photosphere by heated particles? First asked 18 July 2009
21. How does the "mostly neon" surface emit white light? First asked 19 July 2009
    Now retracted for
22. Entire photon "spectrum" is composed of all the emissions from all the layers First asked 3 August 2009
23. Same event in different passbands = surface of the Sun moves? First asked 22 July 2009
    Seems to think that 3 pixel differences (full Sun image) or 10's of pixels (limb image) are not detectable. Astronomers would disagree.
24. Evidence for the existence of "dark" electrons First asked 28 July 2008
25. MHD also treats plasmas as particles and circuits according to Alfven First asked 29 July 2009 Can you give a citation to where Alfven states that he derives the equations of MHD from collections of particles rather than a fluid?
26. Why neon for your "mostly neon" photosphere? First asked 30 July 2009
27. Where is the "mostly fluorine" layer? First asked 30 July 2009
28. What is your physical evidence for "mostly Li/Be/B/C/N/O" layers? First asked 30 July 2009
29. What is your physical evidence for the "mostly deuterium" layer? First asked 30 July 2009
30. Explain the shape of your electrical arcs (coronal loops) First asked 2 August 2009
31. What is your physical evidence for the silicon in sunspots? First asked 7 August 2009
32. How do MM's "layers" survive the convection currents in the Sun? First asked 26 December 2009
33. Where are the controllable empirical experiments showing the Iron Sun mass separation?
    First asked 5 January 2010

Actual Answers From Michael Mozina:



Unsupported Assertions as Answers from Michal Mozina:

1. How are these items of evidence for dark matter incorrect?
   First asked 23rd June 2009
   So far just that astronomers have got the visible masses of galaxies wrong (and another reply with his usual "if we cannot detect it on Earth then it does not exist" non-science).
   Now he is on about dark electrons (see above) as an example of matter that cannot be detected!
2. Why do the composition of the "mostly neon" photoshere and the corona differ?
   First asked 22nd July 2009
   It is "mass separation" - no actual physics cited or experiments. No understanding of the consequences - see the questions about layers.

 

[Reality Check]

How can your iron "crust" not be a plasma at a temperature of at least 9400 K

This post in another thread about a similar iron Sun crank idea from brantc also applies to MM's crank delusion:

The melting point of iron is 1811 Kelvins, and its boiling point is 3134 Kelvins. The effective temperature of the photosphere of the sun is 5777 Kelvins, which significantly exceeds both of those temperatures. Exposed to a temperature that high the iron will not "thermalize" anything, certainly not by any physics that works in this universe. It will melt & boil & vaporize, and it will do so fairly quickly.

Furthermore, one must remember that 5777 Kelvins is an effective temperature, a best fit blackbody to an actual thermal emission that is a superposition of blackbody emission curves that are generated at different depths in the photosphere. Limb observations of the sun make it possible to retrieve the temperature structure of the photosphere as a function of depth, in much the same way as limb observations of Earth's atmosphere by satellites allows us to retrieve temperature profiles for the Earth's atmosphere (see, e.g., Solar Astrophysics by Peter Foukal, Wiley-VCh 2004, chapter 5: "The photosphere"; The Observation and Analysis of Stellar Photospheres by David Gray, Cambridge University Press 2005, 3rd edition). The temperature at the lowest level we can determine is 9400 Kelvins. We don't see much of that on Earth, because of the opacity of the overlying layers. But your iron surface is pretty much hugging the 9400 Kelvin base of the photosphere. To the best of my knowledge, the highest boiling point for any element is Rhenium, which boils at 5869 Kelvins, so no known element can survive as a solid or even as a liquid at the temperature found at the base of the photosphere.

The iron surface of the sun is thermodynamic toast, and "thermalize" is a pleasant fiction that bears no resemblance to the physics of this universe.

First asked 7 April 2010
Michael Mozina,
How can your iron "crust" not be a plasma at a temperature of at least 9400 K?

 

[Reality Check]

How can your "mountain ranges" be at a temperature of at least 160,000 K

This post in another thread from MM about a similar iron Sun crank idea from brantc suggests another question.

Baloney. The corona radiates at millions of degrees. The chromosphere is about 20,000K. The photosphere is closer to 5700K. The deeper we go into the atmosphere the cooler it gets as the plasmas become more dense.

There is a running difference move (a 3.3 MB AVI move) recorded by the TRACE spacecraft that MM thinks shows "mountain ranges". He has been obsessed with this delusion for many years despite that fact that running difference images can never show static features. For example a RD movie of clouds passing above Mt. Everest will show the clouds but not Mt. Everest.
The "mountain ranges" in the TRACE RD movie are actually areas of cooling and heating plasma on either side of coronal loops.

The point relevant to MM's post above is that he admits that the chromosphere and corona are at temperatures of > 20,000 K
The TRACE instrument recorded the running difference movie in a passband of 173 A with a width of 6.4 A (the TRACE pages often call this the 171 A passband). This is characteristic of a material at a temperature of 160,000 to 2,000,000 K.

ETA: All of the light in the TRACE RD move comes from material at a temperature > 160,000 K. That is what the passband is designed to do - only pass light in a certain range of wavelengths.

In addition, the chromosphere and corona are 1000's of kilometers above the phosotsphere. Astronomers often image the chromosphere and corona, e.g. by masking the Sun. For some reason they cannot see MM's "mountain ranges" poking out 1000's of kilometers from the photosphere .

Thus MM's "mountain ranges" are at a temperature of at least 160,000 K and extend for 1000's of kilometers from the phosotsphere. This has been pointed out to him before but he has ignored it as usual so here is the question:

First asked 8 April 2010
Michael Mozina,
How can your "mountain ranges" be at a temperature of at least 160,000 K?

 

[Complexity]

To the thread title: Thanks for warning me.

 

[Reality Check]

Where is the spike of Fe composition in the remnants of novae and supernovae

Where does does the iron crust go in novae?

We should expect to see the remnants of novae and supernovae to be very rich in iron. Yet (as far as I know) these remnants do not have high iron concentrations. The metals (He and higher) are enhanced when compared to the interstellar medium.

First asked 8 April 2010
Michael Mozina:
Where is the spike of Fe composition in the remnants of novae and supernovae?

 

[Reality Check]

Which images did you use as your input for the PM-A.gif image, etc.

In another thread, Michael Mozina posted:

Originally Posted by Michael Mozina

Originally Posted by GeeMack
What you have said about them is in direct contradiction to the people who created them. You said you could make one. Do it.

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/AM-A.JPG
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/AM-B.JPG
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/PM-A.gif
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/PM-B.gif
Let's see you "do" one.

So you would expect him to able to describe the process by which he created these RD images including citing the original images.

But so far no answer to:
Which images did you use as your input for the PM-A.gif image, etc.?
First asked 6 April 2010

 

[Reality Check]

These are some of the questions that MM has been asked and seems incapable of answering other than by unsupported assertions

1. What is the amount of 171A light emitted by the photosphere and can it be detected? First asked 6th July 2009
2. A post that seemed to retract his "mountain ranges" on the TRACE 171A RD animation evoked this question:
   What discharge rates and processes come from your hypothetical thermodynamically impossible solid iron surface to show up as records of change in the RD animation in the corona. First asked 6th July 2009
3. From tusenfem:
   Where is the the solar wind and the appropriate math in Birkelands book? First asked 7th July 2009
4. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified fission as the "original current source" and in the same post
5. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified a discharge process between the Sun's surface and the heliosphere (about 10 billion kilometers from the Sun). First asked 7th July 2009
6. Is your solid iron surface thermodynamically possible? First asked 8 July 2009
   See this post for a fuller explanation of the thermodynamic problems with MM's solid iron surface.
7. Coronal loops are electrical discharges? First asked 10 July 2009
   This is an updated question with a couple of "answers" from MM.
8. Can Micheal Mozina answer a simple RD animation question? First asked 10 July 2009
9. More questions for Michael Mozina about the photosphere optical depth First asked 13 July 2009
10. Formation of the iron surface First asked 13 July 2009
11. How much is "mostly neon" MM? First asked 13 July 2009
12. Just how useless is the Iron Sun model? First asked 13 July 2009
13. Coronal loop heating question for Michael Mozina First asked 13 July 2009
14. Coronal loop stability question for Michael Mozina First asked 13 July 2009He does link to his copy of Alfvén and Carlqvist's 1966 paper (Currents in the Solar Atmosphere and A theory of Solar Flares). This does not model what we now know a real solar flare acts like.
15. Has the hollow Iron Sun been tested? First asked 14 July 2009
16. Is Saturn the Sun? First asked 14 July 2009(Birkelands Fig 247a is an analogy for Saturn's rings but MM compares it to to the Sun).
17. Question about "streams of electrons" for Micheal Mozina First asked 14 July 2009MM has one reply in which is mistakenly thinks that this question is about coronal loops.
18. What is the temperature above the iron crust in the Iron Sun model? First asked 17 July 2009
19. What part of the Sun emits a nearly black body spectrum with an effective temperature of 5777 K?
    (MM states that it is not the photosphere) First asked 18 July 2009
20. Is the iron surface is kept cooler than the photosphere by heated particles? First asked 18 July 2009
21. How does the "mostly neon" surface emit white light? First asked 19 July 2009
    Now retracted for
22. Entire photon "spectrum" is composed of all the emissions from all the layers First asked 3 August 2009
23. Same event in different passbands = surface of the Sun moves? First asked 22 July 2009
    Seems to think that 3 pixel differences (full Sun image) or 10's of pixels (limb image) are not detectable. Astronomers would disagree.
24. Evidence for the existence of "dark" electrons First asked 28 July 2008
25. MHD also treats plasmas as particles and circuits according to Alfven First asked 29 July 2009 Can you give a citation to where Alfven states that he derives the equations of MHD from collections of particles rather than a fluid?
26. Why neon for your "mostly neon" photosphere? First asked 30 July 2009
27. Where is the "mostly fluorine" layer? First asked 30 July 2009
28. What is your physical evidence for "mostly Li/Be/B/C/N/O" layers? First asked 30 July 2009
29. What is your physical evidence for the "mostly deuterium" layer? First asked 30 July 2009
30. Explain the shape of your electrical arcs (coronal loops) First asked 2 August 2009
31. What is your physical evidence for the silicon in sunspots? First asked 7 August 2009
32. How do MM's "layers" survive the convection currents in the Sun? First asked 26 December 2009
33. Where are the controllable empirical experiments showing the Iron Sun mass separation?
    First asked 5 January 2010
34. How can your iron "crust" not be a plasma at a temperature of at least 9400 K?
    First asked 7 April 2010
35. How can your "mountain ranges" be at a temperature of at least 160,000 K?
    First asked 8 April 2010
36. Where is the spike of Fe composition in the remnants of novae and supernovae?
    First asked 8 April 2010
37. Which images did you use as your input for the PM-A.gif image, etc.?
    First asked 8 April 2010

Actual Answers From Michael Mozina:




Unsupported Assertions as Answers from Michal Mozina:

1. How are these items of evidence for dark matter incorrect?
   First asked 23rd June 2009
   So far just that astronomers have got the visible masses of galaxies wrong (and another reply with his usual "if we cannot detect it on Earth then it does not exist" non-science).
   Now he is on about dark electrons (see above) as an example of matter that cannot be detected!
2. Why do the composition of the "mostly neon" photoshere and the corona differ?
   First asked 22nd July 2009
   It is "mass separation" - no actual physics cited or experiments. No understanding of the consequences - see the questions about layers.

 

[Reality Check]

These are some of the questions that MM has been asked anut his Iron Sun idea and seems incapable of answering other than by unsupported assertions.

1. What is the amount of 171A light emitted by the photosphere and can it be detected? First asked 6th July 2009
2. A post that seemed to retract his "mountain ranges" on the TRACE 171A RD animation evoked this question:
   What discharge rates and processes come from your hypothetical thermodynamically impossible solid iron surface to show up as records of change in the RD animation in the corona. First asked 6th July 2009
3. From tusenfem:
   Where is the the solar wind and the appropriate math in Birkeland's book? First asked 7th July 2009
4. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified fission as the "original current source" and in the same post
5. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified a discharge process between the Sun's surface and the heliosphere (about 10 billion kilometers from the Sun). First asked 7th July 2009
6. Is your solid iron surface thermodynamically possible? First asked 8 July 2009
   See this post for a fuller explanation of the thermodynamic problems with MM's solid iron surface.
7. Coronal loops are electrical discharges? First asked 10 July 2009
   This is an updated question with a couple of "answers" from MM.
8. Can Micheal Mozina answer a simple RD animation question? First asked 10 July 2009
9. More questions for Michael Mozina about the photosphere optical depth First asked 13 July 2009
10. Formation of the iron surface First asked 13 July 2009
11. How much is "mostly neon" MM? First asked 13 July 2009
12. Just how useless is the Iron Sun model? First asked 13 July 2009
13. Coronal loop heating question for Michael Mozina First asked 13 July 2009
14. Coronal loop stability question for Michael Mozina First asked 13 July 2009He does link to his copy of Alfvén and Carlqvist's 1966 paper (Currents in the Solar Atmosphere and A theory of Solar Flares). This does not model what we now know a real solar flare acts like.
15. Has the hollow Iron Sun been tested? First asked 14 July 2009
16. Is Saturn the Sun? First asked 14 July 2009(Birkelands Fig 247a is an analogy for Saturn's rings but MM compares it to to the Sun).
17. Question about "streams of electrons" for Micheal Mozina First asked 14 July 2009MM has one reply in which is mistakenly thinks that this question is about coronal loops.
18. What is the temperature above the iron crust in the Iron Sun model? First asked 17 July 2009
19. What part of the Sun emits a nearly black body spectrum with an effective temperature of 5777 K?
    (MM states that it is not the photosphere) First asked 18 July 2009
20. Is the iron surface is kept cooler than the photosphere by heated particles? First asked 18 July 2009
21. Entire photon "spectrum" is composed of all the emissions from all the layers First asked 3 August 2009
22. Same event in different passbands = surface of the Sun moves? First asked 22 July 2009
    Seems to think that 3 pixel differences (full Sun image) or 10's of pixels (limb image) are not detectable. Astronomers would disagree.
23. Evidence for the existence of "dark" electrons First asked 28 July 2008
24. Why neon for your "mostly neon" photosphere? First asked 30 July 2009
25. Where is the "mostly fluorine" layer? First asked 30 July 2009
26. What is your physical evidence for "mostly Li/Be/B/C/N/O" layers? First asked 30 July 2009
27. What is your physical evidence for the "mostly deuterium" layer? First asked 30 July 2009
28. Explain the shape of your electrical arcs (coronal loops) First asked 2 August 2009
29. What is your physical evidence for the silicon in sunspots? First asked 7 August 2009
30. How do MM's "layers" survive the convection currents in the Sun? First asked 26 December 2009
31. Where are the controllable empirical experiments showing the Iron Sun mass separation?
    First asked 5 January 2010
32. How can your iron "crust" not be a plasma at a temperature of at least 9400 K?
    First asked 7 April 2010
33. How can your "mountain ranges" be at a temperature of at least 160,000 K?
    First asked 8 April 2010
34. Where is the spike of Fe composition in the remnants of novae and supernovae?
    First asked 8 April 2010
35. Which images did you use as your input for the PM-A.gif image, etc.?
    First asked 8 April 2010

Actual Answers From Michael Mozina:

 

[Reality Check]

duplicate

 

[Reality Check]

A pertinent blog entry:
Electric Universe: Real Plasma Physicists Use Mathematical Models!

 

[Zeuzzz]

A pertinent blog entry:
Electric Universe: Real Plasma Physicists Use Mathematical Models!

Good read.

Has Bridgman quoted anything I have said on that site? I'd be eager to reply, as long as he takes down the "Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy" part (his other material is unquestionably creationism, I think he has blurred the line now with some semi respectable fringe theories and blatant creationism), which infers something most unfair about plasma cosmology, or me if I were to post there.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Oh yeah this is EU not PC. well ... I dunno what EU really is so he can label it as he wants. Im quite sure that most EU proponents are not overtly religious people. Unorthodox, maybe.