bignickel
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Where's the Flux Capacitor? Or it is the Oscillation Overthruster..?
[Lloyd]"Hurry Marti!! You must go back... back to the future!"[/Lloyd]
[Lloyd]"Hurry Marti!! You must go back... back to the future!"[/Lloyd]
arcticpenguin
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Here's their web site:
http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/
Speaking of the future, it says they're going to run another demo by October 15th (check the 'Validation' page). If any of you are in the Nashville vicinity, check it out.
Here's their web site:
http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/
Speaking of the future, it says they're going to run another demo by October 15th (check the 'Validation' page). If any of you are in the Nashville vicinity, check it out.
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Hmm, how did they manage to produce the 1.21 jigowats needed to charge the battery before it could perpetually replenish itself. Surely a shady deal with some arms dealers.
Seriously, does anyone know with technical knowledge how far an electric car (without any "magical" properties) could realistically be expected to run on a bank of 12 fully-charged standard car batteries?
(According to the Tilley web site, they "expect to run at least 400 miles on only 12 off the shelf type batteries". It does not explain why the range is only 400 miles - shouldn't it be able to run forever? - nor why 12 batteries are needed since the vehicle is supposed to be, in effect, self-sustaining.)
(According to the Tilley web site, they "expect to run at least 400 miles on only 12 off the shelf type batteries". It does not explain why the range is only 400 miles - shouldn't it be able to run forever? - nor why 12 batteries are needed since the vehicle is supposed to be, in effect, self-sustaining.)
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Serious automotive designers who are trying to get the most out of their batteries generally cover the entire surface of the car with photovoltaics. And then they strip the thing down and streamline it like mad. http://www.formulasun.org/asc/
Eventually, as you add batteries, the electric car will come up against the momentum of the batteries themselves. Bigger batteries won't necessarily mean a longer range.
Eventually, as you add batteries, the electric car will come up against the momentum of the batteries themselves. Bigger batteries won't necessarily mean a longer range.
Crossbow
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400 miles on twelve standard 12V batteries.
Humm, that is not a great deal of energy storage; I would really like to see just how they worked out that 400 mile figure because I suspect that it is very, very optimistic.
For example, one very lightweight and skilled driver, a minimum of equipment aboard the vehicle and the equipment that is used will be brand new, crusing on level ground at best range speed with no stopping and no other traffic to contend with, and very favorable meterological conditions.
In other words, under ideal conditions, the car can travel 400 miles.
But, I guess there will be a bit of a wait until all the facts come out. In the meantime, I would not worry about trading up just jet.
Humm, that is not a great deal of energy storage; I would really like to see just how they worked out that 400 mile figure because I suspect that it is very, very optimistic.
For example, one very lightweight and skilled driver, a minimum of equipment aboard the vehicle and the equipment that is used will be brand new, crusing on level ground at best range speed with no stopping and no other traffic to contend with, and very favorable meterological conditions.
In other words, under ideal conditions, the car can travel 400 miles.
But, I guess there will be a bit of a wait until all the facts come out. In the meantime, I would not worry about trading up just jet.
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I could do 400 miles in my regular infernal combustion car.
Say, if their magic box really puts out more energy than it uses, why do they need batteries at all? Plug in the black box, give it a push start, and off you go!
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I could do 400 miles in my regular infernal combustion car.
Say, if their magic box really puts out more energy than it uses, why do they need batteries at all? Plug in the black box, give it a push start, and off you go!
SkepticScott
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If it's DC a transformer won't work. They'd need a DC-DC converter. For that voltage I think they'd need a custom one. They have very high efficiencies.
(Oh and it's probably "1.21 gigawatts".)
(Oh and it's probably "1.21 gigawatts".)
OK, when I said use a step-up transformer I was just keeping it simple, trying to indicate there should be better alternatives to using 12 bulky car batteries. More specifically, they could use a readily-available inverter to convert 12V DC up to a higher mains-type AC voltage, then rectify this back to DC if that's what the motor needs.SkepticScott said:
Even better, of course, since their magical generator is allegedly >100% efficient, why don't they just connect several of these in series to provide a mega power boost. Or even feed the output of the generator back into itself (too dangerous, I suppose, as it could lead to thermal runaway, meltdown and the destruction of the Earth...).
I've been continuing to keep an eye on this topic since Randi highlighted it. After the DeLorean broke down in the last public test, Tilley claimed another trial would be performed within 30 days, i.e. by now. However, the website (http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/validation.htm) still says "another test run within 30 days" and hasn't been updated for a while.
Does anyone have any news or updates?
Does anyone have any news or updates?
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"another test run within 30 days"
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You may notice that claim was dated September 15th, so he still has a few more days to make good on his promise.
Here's a Forum where related discussion has been occuring since the first test:
http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=487525627&cpv=1
Occasionally a Tilley supporter will post info; I saw something once or twice about October 16th, but if it's not being posted on the official Tilley Foundation site I don't see how anyone could give it any weight.
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You may notice that claim was dated September 15th, so he still has a few more days to make good on his promise.
Here's a Forum where related discussion has been occuring since the first test:
http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=487525627&cpv=1
Occasionally a Tilley supporter will post info; I saw something once or twice about October 16th, but if it's not being posted on the official Tilley Foundation site I don't see how anyone could give it any weight.
Yeah, I had noticed that but thought by now an announcement would have been made (assuming it's another public demo). Or perhaps it's actually 30 working days, or 30 Martian days, or something else.arcticpenguin said:
Incidentally, I noticed from the Tilley website that they've bought a nice new Nissan SUV for future tests, so it seems that money is being put into the project from somewhere... Tilley's own pocket or gullible investors?
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I noticed from the Tilley website that they've bought a nice new Nissan SUV for future tests, so clearly money is being put into the project from somewhere...
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And yet some of the Tilley supporters posting to that forum claim that there are no investors.
I noticed from the Tilley website that they've bought a nice new Nissan SUV for future tests, so clearly money is being put into the project from somewhere...
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And yet some of the Tilley supporters posting to that forum claim that there are no investors.
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electric cars can be made pretty quick,see www.ACpropulsion.com.
click on T-zero races Porsche.
the range aint that great about 100 miles,but it can be recharged in an hour from any electrical outlet.
makes me wonder why cant big car companies make something like that.
electric cars can be made pretty quick,see www.ACpropulsion.com.
click on T-zero races Porsche.
the range aint that great about 100 miles,but it can be recharged in an hour from any electrical outlet.
makes me wonder why cant big car companies make something like that.
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electric cars can be made pretty quick,see www.ACpropulsion.com.
click on T-zero races Porsche.
the range aint that great about 100 miles,but it can be recharged in an hour from any electrical outlet.
makes me wonder why cant big car companies make something like that.
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They can. I think the problem is that 100 miles is not considered an adequate range, and 1 hour is not considered to be quick enough for a recharge. That would work for a commuter, but not for a longer trip, like a vacation.
Current production gasoline powered cars can get > 300 miles per tank, and can be refilled in 5 minutes or so.
electric cars can be made pretty quick,see www.ACpropulsion.com.
click on T-zero races Porsche.
the range aint that great about 100 miles,but it can be recharged in an hour from any electrical outlet.
makes me wonder why cant big car companies make something like that.
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They can. I think the problem is that 100 miles is not considered an adequate range, and 1 hour is not considered to be quick enough for a recharge. That would work for a commuter, but not for a longer trip, like a vacation.
Current production gasoline powered cars can get > 300 miles per tank, and can be refilled in 5 minutes or so.
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Even with a perpetual-motion device, there needs to be some method of storing energy (for when the device has to stop temporarily, like at a traffic light.) One energy efficient vehicle I saw used a fly wheel. It was engaged to speed up during breaking, then engaged to propel the vehcile forward to get it started again.
But yes, the energy has to come from SOMEWHERE to start. I like the idea of giving it a push. How much over-unity can it produce? How long to get it up to 60 mph?
But yes, the energy has to come from SOMEWHERE to start. I like the idea of giving it a push. How much over-unity can it produce? How long to get it up to 60 mph?
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Even with a perpetual-motion device, there needs to be some method of storing energy (for when the device has to stop temporarily, like at a traffic light.) One energy efficient vehicle I saw used a fly wheel. It was engaged to speed up during breaking, then engaged to propel the vehcile forward to get it started again.
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I don't see the need. If the magic generator is actually producing more energy that is put into it, some of that energy could be used to run an electric motor that turns the generator. Then it would be unnecessary to have the motion of the car turn the generator.
Its October 16th, and there have been no updates on the Tilley Foundation web site about a second demo of his magic car. Tilley has apparently failed to meet his promise of a second demo within 30 days of September 15th.
Even with a perpetual-motion device, there needs to be some method of storing energy (for when the device has to stop temporarily, like at a traffic light.) One energy efficient vehicle I saw used a fly wheel. It was engaged to speed up during breaking, then engaged to propel the vehcile forward to get it started again.
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I don't see the need. If the magic generator is actually producing more energy that is put into it, some of that energy could be used to run an electric motor that turns the generator. Then it would be unnecessary to have the motion of the car turn the generator.
Its October 16th, and there have been no updates on the Tilley Foundation web site about a second demo of his magic car. Tilley has apparently failed to meet his promise of a second demo within 30 days of September 15th.