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Elections in Spain

Well, Zapatero, our new PM, had said (before the 11M) that, should he win, we would be out of Irak in May so...

He's speaking right now. "My first priority is the fight against all kinds of terrorism (..) tomorrow I will try to get all political forces together in this issue", "The change will be a quiet one" "Power will not change me" are some of the things he's said. (I'm writing this as I hear it, so please excuse the possible inaccuracies)

With 94.6% PSOE 163 PP 149. PSOE won't get an absolute majority, we'll see who it allies with.
 
subgenius said:
"I was going to vote for one side, and now I ended up voting for the other because of the attacks," said one voter, Manuel Yunta. "The thought that it could be al Qaeda behind the attacks changed my vote, because I blame the government for the massacre."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57707-2004Mar14.html

A guarantee of more terror.
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There are no words to say how shocked I am by this sort of things, I just can't believe it. I must confess that, while I don't like either of them, I am closer ideologically to the PSOE (that doesn't mean anything, of course, as the PP is the very opposite of what I think in most areas) but I would have preferred the other side to win, I hate the idea of the attacks changing people's minds.
 
hammegk said:


And I think, as the appeasers hold their breaths waiting for Muslims en-masse to denounce Islamofacism, governments who actually care about their citizenry will be joining the US, GB, etal in the War we are in.

Learn arabic & convert -- as a nation -- and you shouldn't face the wrath of the maniacs until they run out of other targets in what is now the non-Islam world.
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You write so eloquently, yet opaquely, its hard to determine whether you are implying that I am an appeaser, because of my wish for Muslim action against the evil among themselves, or that I'm holding my breath for same. Neither is true.
I also hope that you are not suggesting that GB is all-knowing, or perfect either, or that for someone to question the efficacy of his approach (not the topic here), is tantamount to questioning the goal.
 
Fendetestas said:


There are no words to say how shocked I am by this sort of things, I just can't believe it. I must confess that, while I don't like either of them, I am closer ideologically to the PSOE (that doesn't mean anything, of course, as the PP is the very opposite of what I think in most areas) but I would have preferred the other side to win, I hate the idea of the attacks changing people's minds.
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If the attacks changed people's minds its a victory for the forces of evil. A larger than imagined victory because it will give renewed fervor to all those anywhere who would enforce their will through the slaughter of babies.
 
subgenious

Dammit, man! It was so clear to me!

Nope, I wasn't slurring you, or any specific individual, as an appeaser. I was at country level.

GB is Great Britain, GWB would be Pres. Bush.
 
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hammegk said:
Dammit, man! It was so clear to me!

Nope, I wasn't slurring you, or any specific individual, as an appeaser. I was at country level.

GB is Great Britain, GWB would be Pres. Bush.
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So how we doing so far (in the thread)?
 
So what would al-Qaeda do if the current administration had remained? Presumably they would have attacked again to punish the Spanish people for choosing them.

If another attack comes (and I'm sure it eventually will), why declare it to be a sign of the terrorists' renewed confidence? It could occur just as easily if things had gone differently.
 
Amother negative thing is that this may give new force to ETA, making them look not as bad as Al Qaeda, for example.
 
Too quick to point the finger That was their trouble
No group has admitted responsibility but Spain's government blames Basque separatist group Eta for the attacks which come ahead of Sunday's election.

"There is no doubt Eta is responsible," said Spain's interior minister.
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This is why they lost the election.
Talk of ETA being a party to those crimes was just a load of
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@$#@!!!
 
"Spain Envoy: Ruling Party An Iraqi War Casualty -Fox News
NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Spain's ambassador to the U.N. said Sunday his country's ruling Popular Party has become the "latest casualty of the Iraqi war.""

This is a hugely significant election. Not only has a government been voted out of office for supporting a war its population opposed, but that its support of the war is seen as the reason it lost. If even Fox news is reporting this result as based upon Anzar's support for the war then every government in the world will know that foreign policy is a significant issue in elections, and governments can be punished for it.
Secondly it also challanges the assumption that a terrorist attack will always drive the popluation to support its government and support reactionary politics.

Viva Espana! Brave people, the Spaniards, and good on them for refusing to have their brains switched off by this terrible week!!!
This is just soooo bloody admirable.
Hope they now insist on a full, open, public investigation of these atrocities, too.

"Stay clever, and keep faith with the Enlightenment."- The Wise Wiglaf Droste
 
I don't see how voting in the Socialists is giving in to Al-Quada. It is the Spanish voting out their pollies for

a) Lying to them, trying to put the blame on ETA.
b) Leading them into a war they didn't want.

And to those who say that this is like appeasing Hitler before WWII, I have said before that I think the standoff is more like the start of WWI, when there were several sides just spoiling for a fight. The US certainly has been.
 
hammegk said:
What is the temptation Europeans face that tells them "of course appeasement is the best response"? Cowardice? Something else?
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It always amazes me how some folks know exactly what a political party will do once in power (OF COURSE they'll follow their platform to the letter :roll: )and why 20+ Million people voted as they did. Ham man, you should really consider the JREF Prize with such a degree of mind-reading. :p :D

Seriously, like the US, there will be a body of people who will vote one way or the other no matter what happens, another group that will not vote at all, and the minority of voters who can be swayed, oftentimes right up to the time they enter the booth.

I would be curious to know from our Spanish friend if there were other issues prior to the tragedy that were causing voters to think twice about the incumbents, beyond the opposition to the Iraq war?
 
a_unique_person said:

And to those who say that this is like appeasing Hitler before WWII, I have said before that I think the standoff is more like the start of WWI, when there were several sides just spoiling for a fight. The US certainly has been.
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Damn convenient for you that Australia -- so far -- has been out-of-sight out-of-mind. Those silly dead tourists were no great loss, huh? Turn the other cheek, yada-yada-yada.

How is your conversion to Islam coming, or is that already your religion? Brushing up on the arabic too I hope.

Spineless idiots.
 
hammegk said:


Damn convenient for you that Australia -- so far -- has been out-of-sight out-of-mind. Those silly dead tourists were no great loss, huh? Turn the other cheek, yada-yada-yada.

How is your conversion to Islam coming, or is that already your religion? Brushing up on the arabic too I hope.

Spineless idiots.
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THE <strike>COMMIES</strike> ISLAMOFACISTS ARE COMING! THE <strike>COMMIES</strike> ISLAMOFACISTS ARE COMING!
 
Mr Manifesto said:


THE <strike>COMMIES</strike> ISLAMOFACISTS ARE COMING! THE <strike>COMMIES</strike> ISLAMOFACISTS ARE COMING!
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That's the only intelligent post I've seen from you. Where did you copy it from?

How's the camel ranch coming along?
 
hammegk said:


That's the only intelligent post I've seen from you. Where did you copy it from?

How's the camel ranch coming along?
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Still haven't seen an intelligent post from you.

The camel ranch is doing fine. In fact :checks order forms: I've got a big order for bactrians. It's an unusual one... It's for a home for the severely retarded in Virginia. Name of... Hammegk!

You do realise what we mean by bactrians being 'double humpers', don't you?
 
The sad thing is, Islamic Fundie Terrorists pick their targets due to opportunity.

The unverified note said that they attacked because of Iraq and Afghanistan. If Spain had not participated in either of those operations, it would have been some other reason.

The real reason is, terrorists saw an opportunity to cause mass disruption and took it.
 
hammegk said:


Damn convenient for you that Australia -- so far -- has been out-of-sight out-of-mind. Those silly dead tourists were no great loss, huh? Turn the other cheek, yada-yada-yada.

How is your conversion to Islam coming, or is that already your religion? Brushing up on the arabic too I hope.

Spineless idiots.
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That reminds me very much of the pre-WWI rubbish that was going on. Bluster, confrontation and pride. Don't foret, to a large extent, WWII was merely the conclusion of WWI.
 
corplinx said:
The sad thing is, Islamic Fundie Terrorists pick their targets due to opportunity.

The unverified note said that they attacked because of Iraq and Afghanistan. If Spain had not participated in either of those operations, it would have been some other reason.

The real reason is, terrorists saw an opportunity to cause mass disruption and took it.
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They do indeed appear to do this. Easy targets, rather than the hard ones. But then that is the classic guerilla warfare tactic, and one that does not appear to have concerned the minds of those in charge of the Co-alition of the billing.
 
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