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Elbe Trackway

Oh no, I've made large footprint impressions in the ground. Some bigfooters were fooled! and, no crimes were commited, except maybe by some bigfooters exposing personal information and perhaps some of the words tossed in about how certain hoaxers should be handled.

See where the problem is? Bigfooters are willing to break the laws in order to witch hunt "hoaxers" which is the entire bigfoot phenomenon. They should be thanking them for keeping the dream alive lol. Without the hoaxes what is bigfoot?

A whole buncha nothing still equals nothing in 2013. I said once before I made elbe tracks. Maybe I'm lying about it. Maybe I'm not? Who cares, any bigfoot tracks found are either misidentified or faked. Is that a reason to witch hunt people the way bigfooters have been "hoaxers" and exposing their personal information illegally in some cases?

You seem intent on stoking those flames. Tell them River did it lol. You want proof? Want me to show you my stompers? I'm about to go on a bigfoot world tour making prints at every stop. :)
 
Óðinn said:
I just know when the evidence is insurmountable.
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No. You do not. That is why we disagree. But we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Don't let things like evidence or truth or critical thinking get in the way of roasting the guy you imagine might have made your "bigfoot professionals" look like credulous tools who can't spot a fake.

If you're of a mind to do the pitchfork-and-torch bit, why aren't you focusing on the "experts" who are so easily fooled? All the hoaxer did was show you how unreliable those "experts" are.

Sheesh. It'd be like a historian confusing a PT cruiser for a Model T.
 
Óðinn said:
Your problem is you are acting like a defense lawyer, not a skeptic. You seem to think the Elbe hoaxer is just a misunderstood good ole boy. A skeptical prankster, maybe like yourself. You probably think those fellers that are writing computer viruses are just misunderstood too. .
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Could you expound on your analogy here?
 
Wow. I didn't even catch that phrase. That's what I get for skimming.

"Skeptical prankster" is still about thirteen hundred feet up the ladder from "credulous footer".
 
Just to toss my technical two centavos in the ring. The vast majority of ISPs will use DHCP. The length of the lease may vary greatly. For instance, my public IP is obtained via DHCP, but it changes maybe 2 or 3 times per year. I can verify this as I run several services on my connection, so I have to use dynamic DNS as my IP is not static. According to my dyDNS logs, it's 2 - 3 times per year.

Some ISPs do still use NAT-PAT overload, but I would think that to be very, very rare. The admin over head on something like that is huge. Maybe for campus type networks, or possibly condos or something, but even then it's got to be pretty rare.

But having said that, having an IP address paints a highly probably scenario of being able to track that IP to an individual, but it's not concrete proof unless corroborated by that persons ISP. And even then it does not preclude multiple Internet connected devices at one location. Not saying that is or was the case, but technically all of that is possible.
 
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Aye. Would you bet your credibility on saying that one IP address was a specific person? I wouldn't, not even if I knew the guy and had access to his computer.
 
^^ Agreed. Even if your ISP uses NAT-PAT overload, you can still go and NAT that again in your house. Most house holds have more than one web connected device. I would not bet my credibility on pinning an IP address on an individual. A house hold, or address, or building, sure...but beyond that, not so much.
 
Not to mention spoofing. Kiddos love doing that these days. Makes 'em feel hackerish without doing any actual hacking.

Unless they write the spoofer themselves. Depending on age, that might be a pretty good hack. :D
 
No need to even write it themselves. You can subscribe to VPN services like BTGuard that will disguise your external IP for 6 bucks a month.

IP address traces can be great for narrowing in on someone ( law enforcement uses them all the time), but they are not definitive for pinpointing an individual. They just narrow the field greatly.
 
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River said:
Oh no, I've made large footprint impressions in the ground. Some bigfooters were fooled! and, no crimes were commited, except maybe by some bigfooters exposing personal information and perhaps some of the words tossed in about how certain hoaxers should be handled.

See where the problem is? Bigfooters are willing to break the laws in order to witch hunt "hoaxers" which is the entire bigfoot phenomenon. They should be thanking them for keeping the dream alive lol. Without the hoaxes what is bigfoot?

A whole buncha nothing still equals nothing in 2013. I said once before I made elbe tracks. Maybe I'm lying about it. Maybe I'm not? Who cares, any bigfoot tracks found are either misidentified or faked. Is that a reason to witch hunt people the way bigfooters have been "hoaxers" and exposing their personal information illegally in some cases?

You seem intent on stoking those flames. Tell them River did it lol. You want proof? Want me to show you my stompers? I'm about to go on a bigfoot world tour making prints at every stop. :)
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OooOOo I wanna go too, I'll buy the beer and the second-hand wigs! *packs the car*

Some ideas for our vacation:
  • Stomp out a Virginia Reel
  • Use coat hangers and empty shell casings to suggest a Bigfoot vs. Bigfoot machine-gun battle
  • Rent a live oranguatan to accompany us in order to really confuse the issue
  • Cowboy Bob's BBQ Beans and screwdrivers for everyone, nuff said
  • Stomp out a cryptic message in Morse code such as "I am not an animal!!!" a la Elephant Man

I'm telling you, this sounds like 100% more fun than actually searching for Bigfoot. I would end this vacation with a real sense of accomplishment as well as a horrendous hangover.
 
Apology said:
OooOOo I wanna go too, I'll buy the beer and the second-hand wigs! *packs the car*

Some ideas for our vacation:
  • Stomp out a Virginia Reel
  • Use coat hangers and empty shell casings to suggest a Bigfoot vs. Bigfoot machine-gun battle
  • Rent a live oranguatan to accompany us in order to really confuse the issue
  • Cowboy Bob's BBQ Beans and screwdrivers for everyone, nuff said
  • Stomp out a cryptic message in Morse code such as "I am not an animal!!!" a la Elephant Man

I'm telling you, this sounds like 100% more fun than actually searching for Bigfoot. I would end this vacation with a real sense of accomplishment as well as a horrendous hangover.
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I think you've just described most bigfoot outings.
 
Tontar said:
I was banned from the BFF because they believed there was sufficient evidence to connect me in some way with the Elbe trackway. The two primary reasons given were the IP address connection, as well as the word "from" being incorrectly typed as "form", for example instead of typing "it came from over there...", it would accidentally be typed as "it came form over there..."

Additionally, it was my unwillingness to "cooperate" with the proceedings that was very problematic. I would not "cooperate", meaning I would not discuss what I knew or did not know about the whole Elbe event. I would not say who was involved, whether it was me, or me and someone else, or someone else doing it and me knowing about it, stuff like that. I would not cooperate.

It was also pointed out to me that I did not value my BFF membership enough to come clean. They were correct about that. Life goes on quite well, and without much of a missed step without BFF membership, I have found. In fact, I have found being banned to be a blessing in disguise. That monkey is no longer on my back, no pun intended. Although it's a good pun. :-)

It's always been my suspicion, and now since the Elbe deal it's been confirmed to me many times over, that the biggest hoaxers in the bigfoot world are those on the inside, supposedly believers. And even more so, those that have something to gain, whether it be the guy who can directly benefit either financially, or through peer status increasing, or through bigfoot research trips for pay, or possible TV exposure, or the guys who might want revenge on their fellow footers, like the disgruntled and disenfranchised and expatriated BFRO pro-kill dude pushed aside because of political or personal differences who might want to stick it to other BFRO members.

I've said it all along, before Elbe, during Elbe (which was a big mistake), and after Elbe; follow the money (or fame). Who stands to really gain by bigfoot evidence being found on a continual basis? While there will be skeptics who will make hoaxes, or innocent jokesters making hoaxes now and then, the vast majority of hoaxes, and the most prominent hoaxes, are made by bigfoot insiders, "believers", whether they actually believe or not.
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Couldn't agree more, they get angry if you are'nt stupid.
 
Óðinn said:
Your problem is you are acting like a defense lawyer, not a skeptic. You seem to think the Elbe hoaxer is just a misunderstood good ole boy. A skeptical prankster, maybe like yourself. You probably think those fellers that are writing computer viruses are just misunderstood too. And how does pseudoscience enter into this? I never said a matching IP was proof. And I never said I was a believer. I'm sure Tontar is a fine fellow as far as hoaxers go. I just know when the evidence is insurmountable. Otherwise, I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about.
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Well if it isn't the IP address you've been going on about then what is the insurmountable truth? I've been asking since this all started and no one seems to have an answer that makes a damn bit of sense, hence the reason people are being kind when they refer to the stupidity of bigfoot research as pseudoscience, I'm just saying.....
 
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